"pet-peeve"

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Officials who are overweight.

I worry more about how well people call the game. Give me an overweight official who does his job over someone who calls in my primary, calls every bit of contact instead of advantage/disadvantage, and generally sucks.

Of course, I'm a short guy who could stand to lose a few pounds (and always could). Nice to know you'd hate working with me without even knowing how well I do on the court. Must kill people like you knowing I work 40+ varsity games each year and am generally wanted back by schools, conferences, etc.

This is, naturally, going to change my generally positive perception of you on this board. C'est la vie.

[loners4me]

I have to agree - appearance only goes so far. I see no problem with someone being overweight as long as they can move fast enough to get into positon.

Secondly, no problem with facial hair.

Oh and since when are beltless pants required? (case play please)

[FrankHtown]

Partners that don't hustle.

When I have to guess why my partner blew their whistle.

Partners that disappear in the last few minutes of a close game.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by loners4me

Oh and since when are beltless pants required? (case play please)

There's nothing in the rules that prohibits middle-aged, balding men from officiating with a shoulder-length pony-tail, either.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I worry more about how well people call the game. Give me an overweight official who does his job over someone who calls in my primary, calls every bit of contact instead of advantage/disadvantage, and generally sucks.

Of course, I'm a short guy who could stand to lose a few pounds (and always could). Nice to know you'd hate working with me without even knowing how well I do on the court. Must kill people like you knowing I work 40+ varsity games each year and am generally wanted back by schools, conferences, etc.

This is, naturally, going to change my generally positive perception of you on this board. C'est la vie.

Rich, I'm not one to take up for Nevada, but I don't think needing to shed some pounds falls into the category of Nevada's "overweight" statement. If you're overweight and not getting up and down the court, I pretty much have a issue with that as well. I could care less if you make the greatest calls in the world, if your weight affects you getting into position or having to make a AT&T call because you're steady getting beat down the court, then it's a problem. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that perception is everything now days, and I heard it all summer long in camps about officials being overweight, or they need to shed some pounds etc. etc.

[Mark Padgett]

I also dislike officials who eat multiple burritos right before a game - or worse, at halftime! Especially when they stand close.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

Rich, I'm not one to take up for Nevada, but I don't think needing to shed some pounds falls into the category of Nevada's "overweight" statement. If you're overweight and not getting up and down the court, I pretty much have a issue with that as well. I could care less if you make the greatest calls in the world, if your weight affects you getting into position or having to make a AT&T call because you're steady getting beat down the court, then it's a problem. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that perception is everything now days, and I heard it all summer long in camps about officials being overweight, or they need to shed some pounds etc. etc.

Well, I see the difference, sure. I still have to work a lot of 2-person varsity and if I wasn't getting in position, I'd hang it up. Do I get beat down the floor a couple times a game? Absolutely, but that's because I really step down as the trail on rebounding and get the best angles on closely guarded situations and I'd rather work the whole game well as the trail than to be able to brag that "I never get beat down the court." I can officiate from behind a couple of times (1-2) a game and still get the calls right.

Camps? I find that this is the best excuse to eliminate someone you don't want in the conference. Not personally as I haven't attended one of those "full camps" in 5 years. I don't spend $300 to be worked like a dog for 3 days.

They charge people tons of money and run them for 3 days straight and if you aren't running like a gazelle in your 12th game of the weekend, you can't "keep up." It's ludicrous.

What a ludicrous practice, really, considering I never work more than one game at a time.

My comment was this: If you are putting this at the top of your list of pet peeves, you must be working with some pretty perfect officials on the court.

[cardinalfan]

#3. Wearing a college shirt/jacket in a high school game.

#2. I worked with a fellow recently who put smokeless tobacco in his mouth during halftime of the first game. A school administrator told him it was a tobacco-free zone, and he did again later in the night!

But my biggest pet peeve:
#1. The guy who doesn't wear a lanyard, and then tells me and my partner all night why it makes him a better foul caller.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by cardinalfan

But my biggest pet peeve:
#1. The guy who doesn't wear a lanyard, and then tells me and my partner all night why it makes him a better foul caller.

Is he from Virginia?

[ctpfive]

I am 6'2 and weigh 230#s. I need to drop a few pounds.

I occasionally ref with a partner that needs to drop a few more than that and because of it there is a lack of hustle and being out of position to make the call. It is not professional.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Absolutely, but that's because I really step down as the trail on rebounding and get the best angles on closely guarded situations and I'd rather work the whole game well as the trail than to be able to brag that "I never get beat down the court."

There isn't an official alive that can truthfully make that statement. We all get beat down the court at one time or another.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There isn't an official alive that can truthfully make that statement. We all get beat down the court at one time or another.

But some officials do their best to minimize it by:

-Breaking to the other end while the rebound is still in question
-Breaking to the other end when the ball is knocked loose by the defense
-Not working up properly on the press

etc., etc.

I see it in college games and high school games. By skinny and not-so-skinny officials.

I see a lot of officials work 1 step from the division line as the trail, never working deeper, never working onto the court, not even in 2-person, where it's required.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

But some officials do their best to minimize it by:

-Breaking to the other end while the rebound is still in question
-Breaking to the other end when the ball is knocked loose by the defense
-Not working up properly on the press

etc., etc.

I see it in college games and high school games. By skinny and not-so-skinny officials.

I see a lot of officials work 1 step from the division line as the trail, never working deeper, never working onto the court, not even in 2-person, where it's required.

Yup, you're giving up good position on 95% of the plays to get good position on 5% of the plays. Not a wise trade-off imo either.

[Bearfanmike20]

As a first year official.. Mine are in order.


1. Not rotating on fouls. When I go to rotate and they are waving me back it makes ME look like I dont know what I'm doing... I dont need thier help to look clueless.. I do that well enough on my own as is.

2. Lazy refs. When I'm trail.. and I beat you down the court on a fast break.. and there is no earthly reason that should happen... One time I just kept running and made myself lead cause this guy just walked down court.

3. When you know that this could be a good official, but they suffer from the two syndromes above.

4. Officials who YELL at coaches and fans. As their partner.. I feel like crawling in a hole.

5. Officials who are all of the above giving me advice cause I'm a first year official. I dont mind advice.. I welcome it, but when I'm dealing with all of the above and then they have the nerve to tell me what I'm doing wrong...