Tennessee--Rutgers ending--Women's Game

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Two or three of the situations the clock did not start at all during a throw-in and I blew my whistle to make sure the clock was set to the proper time after I play had clearly started. The other situations a whistle was blown and the clock did not stop. One of the situations I did not blow the whistle and I was the only one that caught the clock not stopping properly and I had to put time on the clock.

Good catches!!! My point is that the clock wasn't running then stopped with out whistle then started again. These aren't catches while the clock was running and just stopped for no reason & restarted.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If this is too hard for you to wrap your mind around, then so be it. I am not telling you what to do or what to think. But this situation we are discussing has been discussed on every ESPN show you can think of. Obviously this will likely be addressed by the conference or supervisor even if we do not find out about it. I know in lesser publicized situations there were media releases. If you do not want to accept the reality of all this attention, keep doing what you are doing and I hope that no one throws you under the bus based on tape evidence in any of your games.

Not hard @ all for me. It sounds like you advocating watching the clock while its running? Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are saying. So just to clarify..Is that what you are saying? Or are you saying to look @ the clock on a whistle or after dead ball when the clock should start?

My point is that there is no reason and I mean no reason for nobody on the crew to look @ the clock while it is running just to make sure is doesn't malfunction, on a whistle..sure, on a touch..sure, but not while its running.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

My point is that there is no reason and I mean no reason for nobody on the crew to look @ the clock while it is running just to make sure is doesn't malfunction, on a whistle..sure, on a touch..sure, but not while its running.

I wouldn't go that far. I look at the clock a lot while it's running during a game. I'm just not sure why I would look at it in the sitch we're discussing.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Don't forget to step on all us little people as you climb your way to the top.

Chuck posting somewhere in this thread?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I wouldn't go that far. I look at the clock a lot while it's running during a game. I'm just not sure why I would look at it in the sitch we're discussing.

Agree.

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Chuck posting somewhere in this thread?

[Jurassic Referee]

Can I say something?

T'hell with ya, I'm gonna say it anyway.

From today's NY Times....."A Tennessee official said after the game that the scoreboard clock was controlled by a remote wireless device that the referees wear on their belts, and that it was NOT controlled by anyone at the scorers table."

That kinda puts a different slant on it, doesn't it?

If it's in the Times, it must be true.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/sp...tml?ref=sports

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That kinda puts a different slant on it, doesn't it?

If it's in the Times, it must be true.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/sp...tml?ref=sports

It does not change anything for me. I am not aware that the basics of the PTS are that different from one place to another.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Can I say something?

No. Who asked you?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

T'hell with ya, I'm gonna say it anyway.

Figures. Oh, well.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

From today's NY Times....."A Tennessee official said after the game that the scoreboard clock was controlled by a remote wireless device that the referees wear on their belts, and that it was NOT controlled by anyone at the scorers table."

That kinda puts a different slant on it, doesn't it?

I don't know enough about Precision Timing, but how does it start again once it's stopped? Wouldn't one of the officials have to reach around behind and flip the switch? Does that show anywhere on the video? Doesn't the table still have the opportunity to start and stop the clock on their own?

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If it's in the Times, it must be true.

Don't they also pick the Yankees to win every year?

Just sayin'.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Don't they also pick the Yankees to win every year?

Just sayin'.

No, they have to be provocative and controversial.

They never pick the Yankees first. They always make picks like Hillary, AQ in Iraq and the Cubs (see the pattern yet?)

Anyway, they don't care about being right, they just need the attention.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I don't know enough about Precision Timing, but how does it start again once it's stopped? Wouldn't one of the officials have to reach around behind and flip the switch? Does that show anywhere on the video? Doesn't the table still have the opportunity to start and stop the clock on their own?

Each official has a little radio box on their hip which is attached to a mini microphone on a lanyard. You can only use a Fox 40 whistle (or at least that is all you could use) and every time an official blows the whistle, the clock should stop. The little box also has a button on the device so you can start the clock. And there is a device at the scorer's table that is connected to the devices on the official's hip. The timer has the same device or buttons they have on any other timing device. And they have to stop the clock for under a minute after a made basket. I can tell you the official have no say in that stoppage at all unless there is a whistle blown. So this idea that only the officials stop the clock is not correct.

Peace

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Each official has a little radio box on their hip which is attached to a mini microphone on a lanyard. You can only use a Fox 40 whistle (or at least that is all you could use) and every time an official blows the whistle, the clock should stop. The little box also has a button on the device so you can start the clock. And there is a device at the scorer's table that is connected to the devices on the official's hip. The timer has the same device or buttons they have on any other timing device. And they have to stop the clock for under a minute after a made basket. I can tell you the official have no say in that stoppage at all unless there is a whistle blown. So this idea that only the officials stop the clock is not correct.

Peace

I had an interesting conversation today concerning this play. While this explanation doesn't make it right it makes it understandable. As Rut stated the precision timing wasn't stopped and started by an official on the floor, just not plausible. However with the clock operator stopping the clock in the last minute, is there a possibility that when Parker takes her shot, the clock operator is anticipating it going in..And everyone here has anticipated a call before...so with anticipation the operator shuts it down...then realizes it didn't go through, and that it was turned off and voila, turns it back on again....with what we know is acceptable lag time or used to be acceptable lag time that would account for about a second or a little more, to anticipate, shut it down, realize, and turn it back on....it not only is a reasonable expalanation, but also, maybe instead of homering someone this clock operator is trying to make sure to get it shut down for Rutgers to have some time left....only um...the shot didn't go in...anyway...hack away...

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Can I say something?

T'hell with ya, I'm gonna say it anyway.

From today's NY Times....."A Tennessee official said after the game that the scoreboard clock was controlled by a remote wireless device that the referees wear on their belts, and that it was NOT controlled by anyone at the scorers table."

That kinda puts a different slant on it, doesn't it?

If it's in the Times, it must be true.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/sp...tml?ref=sports

It's been a couple of years since I investigated PTS, but my understanding is that it's always manually controllable from the clock console. The PTS units I've actually seen all plug into the clock console.

As for the article, what's this about? “I myself was watching the clock the whole time,” said Essence Carson, the Rutgers senior forward. “It’s just unbelievable how anyone can take that many shots in that amount of time and still have time left on the clock.”

If she was actually watching the clock the whole time, wouldn't her follow-on statement be that she witnessed the clock stop? Rather than speculation about how anybody could take that many shots in that amount of time? It's an emotional rant thinly disguised as some kind of eye-witness account.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

If she was actually watching the clock the whole time, wouldn't her follow-on statement be that she witnessed the clock stop? Rather than speculation about how anybody could take that many shots in that amount of time?

It's only a matter of time before someone asks what do you expect from a Rutgers student... so I'll get it out of the way now.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

It's only a matter of time before someone asks what do you expect from a Rutgers student... so I'll get it out of the way now.

Why are you hatin' on all your friends in Bayonne?

[pizanno]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

From today's NY Times....."A Tennessee official said after the game that the scoreboard clock was controlled by a remote wireless device that the referees wear on their belts, and that it was NOT controlled by anyone at the scorers table."

That kinda puts a different slant on it, doesn't it?

If it's in the Times, it must be true.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/sp...tml?ref=sports

If it's the same PTS systems we use in the west, the game clock timer can absolutely can start and stop the clock. We always tell the table crew in the pregame that "the officials are your back-up" for starting AND stopping the clock. Keeps them engaged and on the job.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by pizanno

If it's the same PTS systems we use in the west, the game clock timer can absolutely can start and stop the clock.

That was my understanding of PTS also.

However, I've certainly been wrong before also.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Can I say something?

T'hell with ya, I'm gonna say it anyway.

From today's NY Times....."A Tennessee official said after the game that the scoreboard clock was controlled by a remote wireless device that the referees wear on their belts, and that it was NOT controlled by anyone at the scorers table."

Bullsh*t.

That said, I'm not automatically assuming malicious intent on the part of the timer. It could have been an accident, or there could have been faulty wiring, etc. But, I'd bet money on the fact that there was a control station at the table.