Tennessee--Rutgers ending--Women's Game

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The clock stopped before the foul occured.

Peace

Thank you JR. I'm not sure which game BZ was watching. But the clock clearly stopped before the foul. We'll see it on YouTube soon, if it's not already on there.

[Gimlet25id]

I watched this game last night and replayed it over & over. Just watched it again on SC & replayed it over and over. The clock did stop but begs the question why?

A couple of points.....

This play is a "SHALL" court-side monitor play. The officials have to go to the monitor to determine if the foul happened before the expiration of time. When @ the monitor hes asking for camera angles of the in question play. He's telling the truck to get him the play from every angle available. Most importantly when the contact happened he would have them pause the frame and look @ the time. The time is superimposed @ the bottom of the court-side monitor screen.

Unless the officials knew there was a timing error they wouldn't be looking for that @ the monitor. When he gets the play and pulls it up he's having the truck step it forward frame by frame until he sees the foul and then pauses the frame and checks the time. If it showed .2 then he did the right thing from the information given to him.

Could he have seen that the clock did stop? Sure if that was what he was looking for. He didn't know it stopped so I'm sure his conversation to the replay personnel was all in regards to finding the frames that showed the contact while checking the time that was on the clock when the contact happened.

If he did see that the clock stopped prematurely then he can from the court-side monitor by rule, reconstruct the play and if possible use the stop watch @ the table to try, if possible, to get the time correct if he knew.

I watched the game live and didn't know the clock stopped until after SC replayed it several times. Imagine the "R" going to the monitor and looking @ the play. He probably sees most of it in fast forward until he gets to the play with the contact. Unless he knows theirs a clock malfunction then why would he be looking for anything else? His purpose @ the monitor was to see when the foul occurred and if their was time on the clock. When the contact happened their was .2 on the clock. Unbeknown to him the clock had stopped prematurely.

BTW...Some one said that the contact should've been ignored since the Tennessee player jumped back into the defender. Right!!! If you don't think this play was a foul then I don't know what would be. She pulled her down from the backside.

The officials didn't screw anybody nor are they @ fault for not knowing the clock stopped and started. None of the officials are looking @ the clock @ this point in the game. The clock had been running after the last dead ball. No reason to look @ it again until there's a whistle. Unless someone points out that the clock stopped then started then they wouldn't have any reason to believe they had a problem. They handled this by the book on the information they were given.

Keep in mind that they aren't getting the same look that we are getting @ home. They might get the same view but its not on a big color screen TV. They are reviewing the play on a small 8-10" screen while giving specific instruction on what they want to see & only looking @ that information.

[Larks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raI-Fp8iisM

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Larks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raI-Fp8iisM

Wow.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

I watched this game last night and replayed it over & over. Just watched it again on SC & replayed it over and over. The clock did stop but begs the question why?

A couple of points.....

This play is a "SHALL" court-side monitor play. The officials have to go to the monitor to determine if the foul happened before the expiration of time. When @ the monitor hes asking for camera angles of the in question play. He's telling the truck to get him the play from every angle available. Most importantly when the contact happened he would have them pause the frame and look @ the time. The time is superimposed @ the bottom of the court-side monitor screen.

Unless the officials knew there was a timing error they wouldn't be looking for that @ the monitor. When he gets the play and pulls it up he's having the truck step it forward frame by frame until he sees the foul and then pauses the frame and checks the time. If it showed .2 then he did the right thing from the information given to him.

Could he have seen that the clock did stop? Sure if that was what he was looking for. He didn't know it stopped so I'm sure his conversation to the replay personnel was all in regards to finding the frames that showed the contact while checking the time that was on the clock when the contact happened.

If he did see that the clock stopped prematurely then he can from the court-side monitor by rule, reconstruct the play and if possible use the stop watch @ the table to try, if possible, to get the time correct if he knew.

I watched the game live and didn't know the clock stopped until after SC replayed it several times. Imagine the "R" going to the monitor and looking @ the play. He probably sees most of it in fast forward until he gets to the play with the contact. Unless he knows theirs a clock malfunction then why would he be looking for anything else? His purpose @ the monitor was to see when the foul occurred and if their was time on the clock. When the contact happened their was .2 on the clock. Unbeknown to him the clock had stopped prematurely.

BTW...Some one said that the contact should've been ignored since the Tennessee player jumped back into the defender. Right!!! If you don't think this play was a foul then I don't know what would be. She pulled her down from the backside.

The officials didn't screw anybody nor are they @ fault for not knowing the clock stopped and started. None of the officials are looking @ the clock @ this point in the game. The clock had been running after the last dead ball. No reason to look @ it again until there's a whistle. Unless someone points out that the clock stopped then started then they wouldn't have any reason to believe they had a problem. They handled this by the book on the information they were given.

Keep in mind that they aren't getting the same look that we are getting @ home. They might get the same view but its not on a big color screen TV. They are reviewing the play on a small 8-10" screen while giving specific instruction on what they want to see & only looking @ that information.

I've seen the replay now numerous times and I'm on board with Rut and the rest. Was watching in a bar last night after my 6PM varsity game (I wish they played more at 6PM) and didn't see the controversy, only the foul (which I would still expect the C to get as well as the L and even the T -- at that point, all eyes should be on the ball, but that's a discussion for another thread, I suppose).

Regardless, I'm happy. Of course, I spent 3 years in a graduate program at UT-Knoxville.

[truerookie]

[QUOTE=Gimlet25id]The officials didn't screw anybody nor are they @ fault for not knowing the clock stopped and started. None of the officials are looking @ the clock @ this point in the game. The clock had been running after the last dead ball. No reason to look @ it again until there's a whistle. Unless someone points out that the clock stopped then started then they wouldn't have any reason to believe they had a problem. They handled this by the book on the information they were given.

So, let me make sure that I undrstand this correctly. It's no officials responsibility to see if the clock start or stop properly in a game of this magnatude and the score close correct? Because (1) we have the PTS (2) we have the monitor. It's the C responsible to watch the clock in Women's.

Do you want to rephrase that statement?

[JoeTheRef]

[QUOTE=truerookie]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

The officials didn't screw anybody nor are they @ fault for not knowing the clock stopped and started. None of the officials are looking @ the clock @ this point in the game. The clock had been running after the last dead ball. No reason to look @ it again until there's a whistle. Unless someone points out that the clock stopped then started then they wouldn't have any reason to believe they had a problem. They handled this by the book on the information they were given.

So, let me make sure that I undrstand this correctly. It's no officials responsibility to see if the clock start or stop properly in a game of this magnatude and the score close correct? Because (1) we have the PTS (2) we have the monitor. It's the C responsible to watch the clock in Women's.

Do you want to rephrase that statement?

That coupled with the fact that Stringer and her assistants are screaming at the top of their lungs that the clock was stopped before the foul should've at least put a thought in their head to maybe look to see if the clock malfunctioned.

[Gimlet25id]

[QUOTE=JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by truerookie

That coupled with the fact that Stringer and her assistants are screaming at the top of their lungs that the clock was stopped before the foul should've at least put a thought in their head to maybe look to see if the clock malfunctioned.

You know this how? I read her interview and that not what she said.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by truerookie

So, let me make sure that I undrstand this correctly. It's no officials responsibility to see if the clock start or stop properly in a game of this magnatude and the score close correct? Because (1) we have the PTS (2) we have the monitor. It's the C responsible to watch the clock in Women's.

Do you want to rephrase that statement?

No I don't want to rephrase. You should go back & read what I said again...

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

The clock had been running after the last dead ball. No reason to look @ it again until there's a whistle. Unless someone points out that the clock stopped then started then they wouldn't have any reason to believe they had a problem.

Once the clock starts their is no reason to look @ it again to make sure it continues to run. Generally the times you look @ the clock is when there is a change of possession, whistle, and during PTS games after you hit the button.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

No I don't want to rephrase. You should go back & read what I said again...



Once the clock starts their is no reason to look @ it again to make sure it continues to run. Generally the times you look @ the clock is when there is a change of possession, whistle, and during PTS games after you hit the button.

And late in the game when the score is close and the possiblity of a foul may occur.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by truerookie

And late in the game when the score is close and the possiblity of a foul may occur.

Comprehension!!!! You would have a WHISTLE which if your the off official then you would look @the clock to make sure the clock stopped.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by truerookie

It's the C responsible to watch the clock in Women's.

You might consider rephrasing your statement!! It's not the responsibility of the "C" to watch the CLOCK. It's C's responsibility to count or cancel the basket. You very well can't do that if your watching the clock.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

You might consider rephrasing your statement!! It's not the responsibility of the "C" to watch the CLOCK. It's C's responsibility to count or cancel the basket. You very well can't do that if your watching the clock.

I disagree, it's the C responsibility to ensure things go properly with the clock.

[QUOTE=Gimlet25id] We have the LED lights, the horn and in this game the monitor.
(1). So, because we have these things it releases us from monitoring the clock.

(2). The point I'm trying to make is this. If the C was monitoring the clock and observed that the clock STARTED; STOPPED; STARTED; STOPPED again; then we have a foul he/she have definate knowledge that the game should be over before the foul occurred. Game over!!

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I disagree, it's the C responsibility to ensure things go properly with the clock.

If this is indeed the C's responsibility, I'm guessing there's something in the manual similar to...

1.2.3.4 With time running down, in a close, big, or really big, or really really big, but not necessarily in a small to medium-sized game, the C shall focus his/her attention entirely on the game clock to monitor the possibility that the home timer, an inadventent whistle, or a clock malfunction doesn't cause the clock to stop and restart when you least expect it. Also, while his/her attention is focused entirely on the game clock, he/she shall also focus on the ball leaving the player's hand to determine whether the ball was away before time expired. Also, if the C want's to keep his/her job, he/she shall also focus on making sure he/she doesn't miss something obvious in his/her PCA or secondary areas of coverage that would cause the supervisor's eyebrows to make any upward motion. It is recommended therefore that all college women's officials be outfitted with a third eye.

[pizanno]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

I watched this game last night and replayed it over & over. Just watched it again on SC & replayed it over and over. The clock did stop but begs the question why?

A couple of points.....

This play is a "SHALL" court-side monitor play. The officials have to go to the monitor to determine if the foul happened before the expiration of time. When @ the monitor hes asking for camera angles of the in question play. He's telling the truck to get him the play from every angle available. Most importantly when the contact happened he would have them pause the frame and look @ the time. The time is superimposed @ the bottom of the court-side monitor screen.

Unless the officials knew there was a timing error they wouldn't be looking for that @ the monitor. When he gets the play and pulls it up he's having the truck step it forward frame by frame until he sees the foul and then pauses the frame and checks the time. If it showed .2 then he did the right thing from the information given to him.

Could he have seen that the clock did stop? Sure if that was what he was looking for. He didn't know it stopped so I'm sure his conversation to the replay personnel was all in regards to finding the frames that showed the contact while checking the time that was on the clock when the contact happened.

If he did see that the clock stopped prematurely then he can from the court-side monitor by rule, reconstruct the play and if possible use the stop watch @ the table to try, if possible, to get the time correct if he knew.

I watched the game live and didn't know the clock stopped until after SC replayed it several times. Imagine the "R" going to the monitor and looking @ the play. He probably sees most of it in fast forward until he gets to the play with the contact. Unless he knows theirs a clock malfunction then why would he be looking for anything else? His purpose @ the monitor was to see when the foul occurred and if their was time on the clock. When the contact happened their was .2 on the clock. Unbeknown to him the clock had stopped prematurely.

BTW...Some one said that the contact should've been ignored since the Tennessee player jumped back into the defender. Right!!! If you don't think this play was a foul then I don't know what would be. She pulled her down from the backside.

The officials didn't screw anybody nor are they @ fault for not knowing the clock stopped and started. None of the officials are looking @ the clock @ this point in the game. The clock had been running after the last dead ball. No reason to look @ it again until there's a whistle. Unless someone points out that the clock stopped then started then they wouldn't have any reason to believe they had a problem. They handled this by the book on the information they were given.

Keep in mind that they aren't getting the same look that we are getting @ home. They might get the same view but its not on a big color screen TV. They are reviewing the play on a small 8-10" screen while giving specific instruction on what they want to see & only looking @ that information.

Well put, Gimlet. I agree there's NO WAY I'm watching the clock on any last second plays in the paint. And I totally agree they were not likely aware or looking for the stoppage of clock during the review.

Too bad there's no protest process like the NBA, as this would easily be one that should be overturned.