Shot Clock rule in NFHS?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by buildere8

So who determines if shot clocks are used for high school games? The state associations.

Who then forfeit their voice on the basketball rules committee.

[BillyMac]

Here in Connecticut, we use a shot clock for both boys, and girls, prep school games. These prep schools use a hybrid version of both NFHS and NCAA rules, although two prep school outside our area uase 100% NCAA rules.

IAABO—HIGH SCHOOL
SHOT CLOCK OPERATOR’S INSTRUCTIONS
Prepared by the Visualization and Education Committee of the International Association of Approved Basketball Officials, Inc.
PROCEDURES
�� Shot clock shall be used entire game . . . including any overtime periods
�� Shot clock duration for 30/35 seconds per State association
START SHOT CLOCK
�� Throw-In: When an in-bounds player legally touches or is touched by the ball
(Exception: Kicking ball)
�� Jump Ball: When a player gains CONTROL of ball
�� Missed Try: When a player gains CONTROL of ball
�� Missed Free Throw: When a player gains CONTROL of ball
�� Loose Ball: When a player gains CONTROL of ball
OFFICIALS’ SIGNALS
�� RESET: A whirling motion of a pointed index finger above head
�� VIOLATION: Official taps top of head with open palm
WHEN TO RESET
�� Floor violations (except kicking)
�� Intentionally kicked ball: reset as per league or State association
�� Ball hits ring on a try or tap (shot clock stops) reset when team control acquired
�� Opponent secures CONTROL of the ball
�� Personal foul
�� Try/tap fails to hit ring and is recovered by opponent
�� Held ball (if DEFENSIVE team has A/P arrow)
�� Technical foul
WHEN NOT TO RESET
�� Defensive team touches ball, but does NOT gain CONTROL
�� Defensive team causes ball to go out of bounds
�� Defensive team causes a HELD BALL, but OFFENSIVE team has A/P arrow
�� Blocked tries/taps recovered by the OFFENSIVE team
�� Try/tap fails to hit ring and is recovered by OFFENSIVE team
�� Held ball during a throw-in and OFFENSIVE team has A/P arrow
�� Time-out is granted
�� Game is stopped due to injury or loss of glasses/contact lens
�� Game is stopped due to blood rule
�� Any shot at WRONG basket
ABSOLUTES
�� Participate with pregame meeting with referee
�� Be attentive, accurate and maintain focus during entire game, avoid distractions
�� Maintain eye contact with the official responsible for putting ball in play
�� Maintain an appearance of impartiality throughout the game
Rev. 9/2007

[BillyMac]

FYI, here are our Connecticut IAABO hybrid NFHS and NCAA prep school rules:

PREP SCHOOL RULE DIFFERENCES

Connecticut prep schools follow National Federation High School rules except as presented within this document. There are 2 Connecticut prep schools, St Thomas Moore in Colchester and South Kent in Kent, which use NCAA rules. However, it is recommended to talk with both coaches before each game begins since they may agree to different rules depending on the team they play.

Boy/Girls
�� Two 16-minute halves
�� Visiting team wears white uniforms
�� No players in 1st marked lane space during free throw(s)
�� Players can leave marked lane spaces on release during free throw(s). Free Thrower and players around the arc must wait for ball to hit ring.

Girls
�� 30 second shot clock (see below)
�� 5 – 60-second and no 30-second timeouts
�� 10 second count in backcourt DOES NOT apply. Once the ball gains frontcourt status, the backcourt rule does apply.
�� 5-second closely guarded count applies only to player who is HOLDING the ball.

Boys
�� 35 second shot clock (see below)
�� 4 – 60-second and 2 – 30-second timeouts
�� 10 second count in backcourt DOES apply
�� No shot clock for sub-varsity games

SHOT CLOCK SITUATIONS
The shot clock is NOT RESET if a kicking violation occurs and the shot clock is 15 seconds or higher. If shot clock is below 15 seconds and a kicking violation occurs, the shot clock is set to 15 seconds.

SHOT CLOCK OFFICIATING GUIDELINES
When in doubt, consult with partner
- move away from coaches, players and benches to make decision
- Referee reports ruling to table and both coaches
- other official observes players and moves to where play will resume
Both officials must know where the shot clock is located (floor, wall, top of basket support) and that it starts, runs and resets. Either official can whistle the shot clock violation
Review in pre-game. If you have experience/knowledge, be considerate, not overbearing

If shot clock operator has no or limited knowledge/experience:
- be considerate, welcome individual to your “team”
- review basic duties; do not give an extended “clinic”
- talk with both coaches before game begins
If shot clock operator presents ongoing mistakes, consider:
- removal and replacement
- removal and officiate game with no shot clock
If all went well, share a positive comment

[MadCityRef]

In the three states I've worked -no shot clocks- rarely does a possession last 30 seconds anyway.
Were the games slow and boring before the clock was instituted?

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Free Thrower and players around the arc must wait for ball to hit ring.

Is that what the actual rule reads? What if the ball contacts the flange or backboard before it hits the ring?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Is that what the actual rule reads? What if the ball contacts the flange or backboard before it hits the ring?

The restrictions do end when the ball touches the backboard. That's a basic and Billy knew that.

Now you tell me....do the restrictions similarly end when the ball on a FT hits the flange?

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The restrictions do end when the ball touches the backboard. That's a basic and Billy knew that.

Not according to the rule Conn. IAABO rules.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Now you tell me....do the restrictions similarly end when the ball on a FT hits the flange?

Yes for an NCAA game.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Yes for an NCAA game.

I didn't ask about NCAA rules; I asked about NFHS rules. Your answer?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The restrictions do end when the ball touches the backboard. That's a basic and Billy knew that. Now you tell me, do the restrictions similarly end when the ball on a FT hits the flange?

I decided to not be lazy with this. I went into the other room, got out my bag, got the rule book out of my bag, and came up with a citation, even though I already knew Jurassic Referee was correct about LDUB's question.
9-1-4: The restrictions apply until the ball touches the ring or backboard or until the free throw ends.
It looks like Connecticut IAABO, in their prep school rule differences, "missed the boat" on this one.

Flange?
1-10-1: Basket shall consist of a single metal ring, it's flange and braces, and a net.
This definition is precisely worded for basket interference situations, but it doesn't seem to work for free throw violations, which only refer to the ring. Has the NFHS "missed the boat" on this one? Would it be easier to add flange and net to the free throw violation wording, or to substitute the word "basket" instead or ring in the same portion of the rule book? Or, does the NFHS have a reason for not including the flange in the rule.

Jurassic Referee: Have you known about this NFHS inconsistency for a while, or did you just discover it. Has anyone on this Forum noticed this, and if so, has anyone with any authority, like an association, or board, interpreter, tried to correct this?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

1-10-1: Basket shall consist of a single metal ring, it's flange and braces, and a net.
This definition is precisely worded for basket interference situations, but it doesn't seem to work for free throw violations, which only refer to the ring. Has the NFHS "missed the boat" on this one? Would it be easier to add flange and net to the free throw violation wording, or to substitute the word "basket" instead or ring in the same portion of the rule book? Or, does the NFHS have a reason for not including the flange in the rule.

Jurassic Referee: Have you known about this NFHS inconsistency for a while, or did you just discover it.

Yup. I knew about the FED inconsistency but it just wasn't worth bothering about imo, Billy. I don't know how you could possibly have a ball hit just the flange with it also touching either the backboard or the ring at the same time. The ball is just too big to touch the flange only. The language difference is just inconsequential as far as I'm concerned. High school and NCAA officials call it exactly the same way anyway methinks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Has the NFHS "missed the boat" on this one? Would it be easier to add flange and net to the free throw violation wording, or to substitute the word "basket" instead or ring in the same portion of the rule book?

If the ball hits the (outside of the) net without hitting the ring, it's pretty clear to me that the FT has ended.

[BillyMac]

[QUOTE=Jurassic Referee]The restrictions do end when the ball touches the backboard. QUOTE]

NFHS: Yes
NCAA: ????

NCAA officials. Please help.

[Jurassic Referee]

[QUOTE=BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The restrictions do end when the ball touches the backboard. QUOTE]

NFHS: Yes
NCAA: ????

NCAA officials. Please help.

NCAA is backboard, flange or ring. NFHS is backboard or ring.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

FYI, here are our Connecticut IAABO hybrid NFHS and NCAA prep school rules

Billy - are these statewide or local? My board seems to have a slightly different PDF.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Billy: Are these statewide, or local? My board seems to have a slightly different PDF.

http://www.iaabo6.org/Interp/guideli...ock%202007.pdf

The link above, will direct you to the IAABO Shot Clock Operators Instructions, which is on our local board's website. Our interpreter is pretty good about citing references, and this instruction sheet appears to from IAABO international. I don't see any reference to our local, or state board, on the instruction sheet. The only reference on the instruction sheet states "Prepared by the Visualization and Education Committee of the International Association of Approved Basketball Officials, Inc", and that it was revised in September, 2007.

That's all that I can tell you.