Partner takes care of jerk fanboy

[Red_Killian]

I'm mainly a lurker on this board but feel I have to speak out for the minority on this one. The result was fine, the method was not. If you feel you need to get rid of a fan, use game management. The method used in this case, while humorous, is not the way to deal with the situation. I totally agree with those who said it we as officials need to above this type of behavior.

Mark, off the court, go ahead and blast away with both barrels but while on the court, representing all of us, please show a little constraint, for all of our benefit.

[rockyroad]

Here's a different approach...watching my son's JV game the other night. Officiating was sketchy, but it's a JV game. There is one of those clowns sitting at the other end doing the same thing as the guy in Mark's OP. During the second quarter, there is a time-out and the guy is reciting his litany of all the things the officials have missed so far. One of the refs calmly walks over, sits down beside the guy and has a quiet conversation with him. The guys laughs, pats the ref on the back, and never says another word the rest of the game.

Now I have no idea what the ref said to him, but they both ended up smiling and the problem was solved. Seems to me that that was a much better way to handle the situation than what was in the OP. But that's just my opinion, and while my opinion is not worth as much as Jurassic's, it's gotta at least be worth as much as that snaqwells guy!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Now I have no idea what the ref said to him, but they both ended up smiling and the problem was solved. Seems to me that that was a much better way to handle the situation than what was in the OP. But that's just my opinion, and while my opinion is not worth as much as Jurassic's, it's gotta at least be worth as much as that snaqwells guy!!

Don't sell yourself short, dude.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Don't sell yourself short, dude.

How else could he sell himself?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

How else could he sell himself?

Don't know. I've never been to Hackensack.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Don't know. I've never been to Hackensack.

Luckily, neither have I. But I hear it's a happening place!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Now I have no idea what the ref said to him, but they both ended up smiling and the problem was solved.

Maybe he said, "Is that a possession indicator in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Red_Killian

I'm mainly a lurker on this board but feel I have to speak out for the minority on this one. The result was fine, the method was not. If you feel you need to get rid of a fan, use game management. The method used in this case, while humorous, is not the way to deal with the situation. I totally agree with those who said it we as officials need to above this type of behavior.

Mark, off the court, go ahead and blast away with both barrels but while on the court, representing all of us, please show a little constraint, for all of our benefit.

Remember, guys, this was done in a kids' wreck league game (I'm assuming, anyway); not high school varsity.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Red_Killian

The result was fine, the method was not.

It was the method that obtained that result.

Originally Posted by Red_Killian

If you feel you need to get rid of a fan, use game management.

This was a rec game for an "independent" group. There is no game management. Coaches aren't responsible even for the behavior of their player's parents. We're on our own in dealing with problems.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Red_Killian

I'm mainly a lurker on this board but feel I have to speak out for the minority on this one. The result was fine, the method was not. If you feel you need to get rid of a fan, use game management. The method used in this case, while humorous, is not the way to deal with the situation. I totally agree with those who said it we as officials need to above this type of behavior.

Mark, off the court, go ahead and blast away with both barrels but while on the court, representing all of us, please show a little constraint, for all of our benefit.

Agree.

100% wrong.

And level of ball has nothing to do with it.
What if he's "waiting" for you outside?
What are you showing the kids? Making fun off someone is the answer to how to handle those situations?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Agree.

100% wrong.

And level of ball has nothing to do with it.
What if he's "waiting" for you outside?
What are you showing the kids? Making fun off someone is the answer to how to handle those situations?

Let's see, the official used the jerk's own methods against him, and the jerk went away. No confrontation. No need to get some "authority" involved. No violence. A bully was stood up to and the problem was solved. Hmmmm, wouldn't want that lesson on display for impressionable kids.

[dkmz17]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Let's see, the official used the jerk's own methods against him, and the jerk went away. No confrontation. No need to get some "authority" involved. No violence. A bully was stood up to and the problem was solved. Hmmmm, wouldn't want that lesson on display for impressionable kids.

Based upon this statement, since the fan was a jerk due to his methods and the official used those methods against him, then the official must also be a jerk. Also, there was a confrontation, it just (luckily) didn't escalate to violence.

I agree that a bully needs to be stood up against, but it needs to be done with a measure of decorum. Regardless of poorly some schmuck acts, the official should not stoop to the schmuck's level. Even if this is in a rec league, there should still be a gym administrator or someone in charge of the facility to take care of the problem.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

Even if this is in a rec league, there should still be a gym administrator or someone in charge of the facility to take care of the problem.

Nope.

[Mark Padgett]

Guys - this argument can go on forever. Frankly, my philosophy has served me and my kids well throughout our lives. Simply put, it's based on standing up to bullies and not taking any crap from them. I taught my son that if someone hits you, hit them back. He only got into one fight when he was a kid and that's exactly how it happened. He stood up for himself and the other kid stopped. As soon as he did, my son stopped too. I told him he did exactly the right thing and neither one of us has ever regretted it. He told me the other kids knew they would get hit back if they hit him first which, I would bet, partially accounted for a pretty smooth childhood for him.

Growing up where I did (the South Side of Chicago), if I had let bullies push me around I probably never would have made it out of my neighborhood alive. OK, that's an exaggeration, but I certainly would have spent a lot of time in the hospital.

I don't really care what the situation is. Someone tries to insult me or push me around, they're gonna get it right back. You don't like it? I don't care.

As to the "what if the guy was waiting outside for you" comments - fine. Let him. I can take care of myself. The odds against that particular guy having a gun are pretty slim. I'll take that chance.

Sorry to sound so serious, but it struck a nerve.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Guys - this argument can go on forever. Frankly, my philosophy has served me and my kids well throughout our lives. Simply put, it's based on standing up to bullies and not taking any crap from them. I taught my son that if someone hits you, hit them back. He only got into one fight when he was a kid and that's exactly how it happened. He stood up for himself and the other kid stopped. As soon as he did, my son stopped too. I told him he did exactly the right thing and neither one of us has ever regretted it. He told me the other kids knew they would get hit back if they hit him first which, I would bet, partially accounted for a pretty smooth childhood for him.

Growing up where I did (the South Side of Chicago), if I had let bullies push me around I probably never would have made it out of my neighborhood alive. OK, that's an exaggeration, but I certainly would have spent a lot of time in the hospital.

I don't really care what the situation is. Someone tries to insult me or push me around, they're gonna get it right back. You don't like it? I don't care.

As to the "what if the guy was waiting outside for you" comments - fine. Let him. I can take care of myself. The odds against that particular guy having a gun are pretty slim. I'll take that chance.

Sorry to sound so serious, but it struck a nerve.

I agree -- sometime idiots need their place.