In the huddle

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I only go near a huddle to tell the coach that he has used up all of his time outs.

Interesting. Near the end of the game, especially a close one, I let them know how many they have left.....maybe I'm just a nice guy!

[ace]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Interesting. Near the end of the game, especially a close one, I let them know how many they have left.....maybe I'm just a nice guy!

Thats what they have assistants for.

I check for my own personal curiosity and to let the crew be aware - but I never go tell a coach how many he's got left. what if your wrong, grant one to him only to find out the table was wrong when you checked.. and he really had none. You gave him bad information, so do you stick him? No, then how do you deal with the other coach?

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by ace

Thats what they have assistants for.

I check for my own personal curiosity and to let the crew be aware - but I never go tell a coach how many he's got left. what if your wrong, grant one to him only to find out the table was wrong when you checked.. and he really had none. You gave him bad information, so do you stick him? No, then how do you deal with the other coach?

Ace - with all due respect, many of the leagues I ref in, coaches don't have asst coaches or keep their own books. And yes, if I give them them the info from the one and only official book at the table - and they violate it - I stickem..... and it's never happened yet.

Maybe when I hit the "big time" of score keepers that pay close attention, clock operators that are on the ball, books that are always right, multiple books, several asst coaches, etc., I'll be able to change my ways....and I will keep this post in mind in the future.

[ace]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Ace - with all due respect, many of the leagues I ref in, coaches don't have asst coaches or keep their own books. And yes, if I give them them the info from the one and only official book at the table - and they violate it - I stickem..... and it's never happened yet.

Maybe when I hit the "big time" of score keepers that pay close attention, clock operators that are on the ball, books that are always right, multiple books, several asst coaches, etc., I'll be able to change my ways....and I will keep this post in mind in the future.

So if the table tells you he has 1 left, and then you tell him he has 1 left, but when you go to report his supposedly last timeout the table says "we forgot to mark that last timeout, so he really had none" now what are you going to do?

believe me, I'm not at the "big time" of anything. But at the HS varsity level, there are still mistakes at the table, and COs and BKs that make mistakes. Thats where you can really shine as a good official, when you can be on top of that to make sure the game still runs smoothly. And even when you have more than 1 book at the table, theres only 1 that matters, the home book.

Its all part of game management.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by ace

So if the table tells you he has 1 left, and then you tell him he has 1 left, but when you go to report his supposedly last timeout the table says "we forgot to mark that last timeout, so he really had none" now what are you going to do?

While I understand what your saying, to me, where I ref, it doesn't hold water. If the one and only book in the gym says he has one time out left, and I relay that to him, and he calls it - its his. How and when would the scorer say oops later on? Based on what? He has what he has. They'res nothing to compare it against. This is rec and fresh volunteers and parents who do the best they can - these are not trained folks. If it comes up, I guess I'll see how I handle it. Right now, I'm staying the course.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ace

I check for my own personal curiosity and to let the crew be aware - but I never go tell a coach how many he's got left. What if your wrong, grant one to him only to find out the table was wrong when you checked.. and he really had none. You gave him bad information, so do you stick him? No, then how do you deal with the other coach?

I don't do even that. Near the end of the game I will remind the table to let me , or my partner when either team has used their last time out (so that we can inform the coach).

[rngrck]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I don't do even that. Near the end of the game I will remind the table to let me , or my partner when either team has used their last time out (so that we can inform the coach).

Exactly the way I handle it. Especially during a close game.