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Way Too Many "Players" Warming Up
I got a question from a junior varsity official, that I can't answer definitively, so I decided to go to the Forum for help.
The offical steps onto the court and begins observing the junior varsity players warming up before the junior varsity game. He observes that there seems to be way too many players, from one team, warming up. As the referee, he goes to check the book before the ten minute mark, and sure enough, there are a lot more players warming up, than are in the book. He questions the junior varsity coach about this, who replies that the varsity players are also warming up with the junior varsity team, as they "always" do. The referee requests that the varsity players leave the court, after which the varsity coach interjects by saying that the varsity players "always" do this, but he pulls his varsity players off the court. Other than NFHS 2-3 "The referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the rules", is there a rule that deals with situation, or is this a situation that doesn't need to be dealt with, in other words, ignore it? What about a liability issue if the official allows this and a varsity player gets injured during the junior varsity warmups? Does the defintion of a "player" impact this situation? Last edited by BillyMac; Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 01:41pm. |
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Pre game warm-ups are for only the team that is playing. What do you do if you let the varsity squad warm-up with the JV and the V-player dunks the ball?
Who are you going to charge the "T" to?
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I don't have rulebooks ATM, but I am going to make a small point.
What if the coach is warming up with the players? I have seen coaches bounce balls to players in specific drills, are you going to disallow this too? Afterall, the coach is not listed in the book. |
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I am going to jump into this one with both feet and my eyes wide open.
1) The HC of the jr. varsity team is responsible for players warming up at his team's basketball before the start of the game. It is not game management's problem. 2) If the jr. varsity HC wants to let the varsity players warm-up with the JV players, I do not care. I only care about the number of names in the socrebook at the ten minute mark. I do not care if I count fifteen players and ten names in the scorebook because five VAR players are warming up; it is not my problem. The tean has submitted their roster and they have to live by what they have in the scorebook. 3) If one of those VAR players dunks the ball prior to the ten minute mark, then that player, JV head coach, JV team will suffer the consequences. TF charged directly to the VAR player, TF charged indirectly to the JV head coach (and he loses the coaching box if the game is in a state where the coaching box is used), one team foul charged to the JV team's 7 and 10 foul team totals. And the VAR player's name will have to be added to the roster when it is submitted prior to the ten minute mark. 4) If one of those VAR players dunks the ball after the ten minute mark, then that player, JV head coach, JV team will suffer the consequences. TF charged directly to the VAR player, TF charged indirectly to the JV head coach (and he loses the coaching box if the game is in a state where the coaching box is used), adminstrative TF charged to the JV team for adding a player to its roster after the ten minute mark (the VAR player's name has to be added to the roster). Therefore two team fouls are charged to the JV team's 7 and 10 foul team totals. BUT if one can prove by rule that there should not be and administrative TF charged to the JV team I can live with that too. MTD, Sr.
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Gimlet: Where in the world did you ever get the idea the Game Management is responsible for the VAR players in this situation. I am sorry,but that is just absurd to make such a statement. MTD, Sr.
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Juulie: I don't necessarily disagree with you. You are charging a player with TF, so his name should end up in the book is the logic I am using. Having said that if a ruling comes down that we are not to put the players name in the book, I can live with that too. I think it is just a speed bump among the mountains of life. MTD, Sr.
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Juulie: How would putting a senior's name in the JV book cause a forfeit? MTD, Sr.
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I'm thinking @ that time he isn't a player for that game. He's not going to be bench personnel either. So really he's nothing more then a fan @ that time.
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Just go to home management and get them to remove everybody not connected to the team from the court. There's old threads around on this one iirc. |
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