First Time for Everything

[rngrck]

These double foul situations are nothing but the result of partners not communicating with each other. How a partner could not hear or see his partner is beyond me!!! Calling these type of fouls will sure erupt the place.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by rngrck

These double foul situations are nothing but the result of partners not communicating with each other. How a partner could not hear or see his partner is beyond me!!! Calling these type of fouls will sure erupt the place.

Actually, if both partners hit the whistle at the same time, for the same length of time, it's quite easy to not hear your partner's whistle. It's happened to me a few times.

And as for the place erupting...who cares?

[rgncjn]

Well, I had a first yesterday, also.

I was working a G-JV game (as a favor to the assignor who needed an official for the game, and I was off). Team A (home team) begins the game with six players. They are terrible.

A1 fouls out early in the third quarter, and the rest of the 3Q goes without hitch. Team A has 5 players remaining, no problem. In addition, Team A is losing by 20 or so at this time.

I notice A2 go to the locker room between the third and fourth quarters. When Team A takes the court to begin the 4Q, they only have 4 players on the floor. I ask Coach A where the fifth the player is at. He replies, defensively, "She is playing varsity, she is done for this game." Fine, let's play.

With 3:50 left to play, A3 commits her fifth foul. As I am going to report the foul, I see Coach A walking to Coach B. As I report the foul, Coach A says the game is over, he "doesn't want to finish." Alright, fine with me. Game is over.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by rgncjn

Well, I had a first yesterday, also.

I was working a G-JV game (as a favor to the assignor who needed an official for the game, and I was off). Team A (home team) begins the game with six players. They are terrible.

A1 fouls out early in the third quarter, and the rest of the 3Q goes without hitch. Team A has 5 players remaining, no problem. In addition, Team A is losing by 20 or so at this time.

I notice A2 go to the locker room between the third and fourth quarters. When Team A takes the court to begin the 4Q, they only have 4 players on the floor. I ask Coach A where the fifth the player is at. He replies, defensively, "She is playing varsity, she is done for this game." Fine, let's play.

With 3:50 left to play, A3 commits her fifth foul. As I am going to report the foul, I see Coach A walking to Coach B. As I report the foul, Coach A says the game is over, he "doesn't want to finish." Alright, fine with me. Game is over.

Not fine. I know the OhioHSAA quarter rule, BUT, too bad, she is an eligible player in the JV book. She has to play in 4th quarter of the JV game. Too bad about the VAR game. PM with the two teams involved. Inquiring minds want to know, . Your secret will be safe with me.

MTD, Sr.

[rgncjn]

Mark,

I raised the same point to my partner. He was the R. I told him that A2 was still an eligible player in the JV because she was not disqualified for any reason and, by the scorebook, remained eligible. He did not wish to issue a technical foul in the situation, because, he did not "want to add more salt to the wound."

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by rgncjn

Mark,

I raised the same point to my partner. He was the R. I told him that A2 was still an eligible player in the JV because she was not disqualified for any reason and, by the scorebook, remained eligible. He did not wish to issue a technical foul in the situation, because, he did not "want to add more salt to the wound."

I got your PM, but even your partner was not correct. The only way to handle the situation is to inform Team A's Head Coach that as long has he has five eligible players he must play all five eligible players. If he still refuses to comply then the R must forfeit the game to Team B. The game cannot continue with less than five players when there are five eligilble players available for Team A.

Have a good one.

MTD, Sr.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Not fine. I know the OhioHSAA quarter rule, BUT, too bad, she is an eligible player in the JV book. She has to play in 4th quarter of the JV game. Too bad about the VAR game. PM with the two teams involved. Inquiring minds want to know, . Your secret will be safe with me.

MTD, Sr.

Interesting that that is the directive there. I've had coaches send a player to the locker room before the 4th quarter for that reason. They've simply said the player is no longer able to play.

I have no problem with that decision, and I'm not questioning the coach on why that player can no longer participate.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Interesting that that is the directive there. I've had coaches send a player to the locker room before the 4th quarter for that reason. They've simply said the player is no longer able to play.

I have no problem with that decision, and I'm not questioning the coach on why that player can no longer participate.

The OhioHSAA has a five quarter per day limitation. But that is not the point being made. For the sake of argument, the two schools involved were playing a FR/JV/VAR tripleheader, then the girl could play in all three games as long as she does not play in more than five quarters.

The game being discussed was just a JV/VAR doubleheader, meaning that she most definitely was an eligible player for the JV game and NFHS rules are quite specific: A team can only play short handed if they do not have any eligible subsitutes because of disqualification or injury. The player involved was not injured or disqualified, therefore Team A had five eligible players and were required to field all five players. The fact that she or the VAR Head Coach wanted her to have quarters to play in the VAR game is not germaine, in fact had she played in the fourth quarter she still would have had one quarter to use in the VAR game. The JV Head Coach does not have the luxury of just saying she is no longer able to play because that is false statement.

MTD, Sr.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The OhioHSAA has a five quarter per day limitation. But that is not the point being made. For the sake of argument, the two schools involved were playing a FR/JV/VAR tripleheader, then the girl could play in all three games as long as she does not play in more than five quarters.

The game being discussed was just a JV/VAR doubleheader, meaning that she most definitely was an eligible player for the JV game and NFHS rules are quite specific: A team can only play short handed if they do not have any eligible subsitutes because of disqualification or injury. The player involved was not injured or disqualified, therefore Team A had five eligible players and were required to field all five players. The fact that she or the VAR Head Coach wanted her to have quarters to play in the VAR game is not germaine, in fact had she played in the fourth quarter she still would have had one quarter to use in the VAR game. The JV Head Coach does not have the luxury of just saying she is no longer able to play because that is false statement.

MTD, Sr.

I completely understand the scenario - it's exactly the same (5 quarters) in Kansas where I used to be. And there it is not uncommon for coaches to do exactly as was described. As long as those players are no longer in the gym in uniform, we weren't to ask why they weren't there.

If they were on the bench in uniform, then they had to play.