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Classic charge?
The block call against Georgia Tech at the end of the Georgia Tech/North Carolina State game seemed like a case book charge to me. The defender established and maintained legal guarding position while moving back and slightly to his left. The defender initiated contact to the defender's torso and from my view ran him over.
If all the elements of a charge are there, its gotta be a charge. Anybody got a different look or clarification? |
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saw the same thing you did, and wondered what else the defender could do. Established position and took one right in the torso. I thought I was the only one when the commentators believed that it was a block with no continuation.
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I also saw what I thought was a charge, but when they showed it again at another angle, It looked as if the defender may have slid in at the last second. Not having the electronic gizmos that let you replay it over and over, I will say the official either got it right or has gotten a call from his supervisor to discuss it.
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Go back and read what I was responding to. BITS was talking about "establishing LGP." Establishing and maintaining are two different things. And yes, I use LGP when talking to coaches. If they do not understand what that means, that is there problem. Peace
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I second JR's point that the only requirements for establishing legal guarding position per rule 4-23-2 are
a The guard must have both feet touching the playing court. b. The front of the guards's torso must be facing the opponent. Again, there is NO requirement for the feet to be set in order for a player control foul to occur. For the coach's benefit consider these examples. a. defender at top of key with lgp and steps straight back towards foul line. While defender is moving dribbler impacts defender in chest with dribblers shoulder. -- player control foul b. defender is stationary with legal guarding position (lgp) as dribbler rapidly approaches, at last second, before severe impact, defender turns slightly (and shuffles feet) in order to protect self -- player control foul c. defender is moving along with dribbler toward dribbler's basket when dribbler sharply changes direction and impacts defender in torso - player control foul |
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As I understand this, we are saying you can't have LGP unless you are/were set in front of the offensive player. Is that correct?
Ex. Fast player catches slower player from behind on fast break. Fast player gets in front of slower player, but can't establish LGP, yet is in the same position as other sitchs where LGP was established, ie. drive from the half-court offense. This doesn't pass my smell test, but in reading the NCAA Def. of LGP, it is correct.
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There is also no minimum distance for LGP to be established, so the defender could be standing at the FT line w/ the ball handler at half court and LGP could be established. |
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The feet have to be on the floor and facing a ball handler. It does not say the feet have to be set at any time. Peace
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