A handful of jersey

[tomegun]

Rich, I don't even understand what you are saying and I think - hold on let me check.

Yep, I'm the OP and this is about grabbing a jersey. Can you explain to me how you can explain a common foul when a player gets their jersey grabbed? How does that happen on accident?

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Rich, I don't even understand what you are saying and I think - hold on let me check.

Yep, I'm the OP and this is about grabbing a jersey. Can you explain to me how you can explain a common foul when a player gets their jersey grabbed? How does that happen on accident?

I agree this is an intentional act on on a breakaway...

Let's pose this question....If this play were to happen where defense commits the following on a player who was working around a teammates screen and the defense is trying to stay with thier man..

A)grabbed a handful of the jersey
B) grabbed a handful of wrist

Are we going to call these intentional or just a common holding foul?

[blindzebra]

It's an either or thing you either let it go or call the IF, the one thing it isn't is a common foul.

It would be nice if we had the option of holding the whistle like we would for an unsporting T, that way the kid gets the lay up and we still get to penalize the IF.

[tomegun]

Coltdoggs, think about every situation that you would call a hold and tell me if a fist full of jersey is one of them. I just don't know how someone would accidentally have a fist full of jersey. Like Blindzebra said, this isn't a common foul. Whether you let the play go as I described it or not is up to you, but it shouldn't be a common foul in my opinion.

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Coltdoggs, think about every situation that you would call a hold and tell me if a fist full of jersey is one of them. I just don't know how someone would accidentally have a fist full of jersey. Like Blindzebra said, this isn't a common foul. Whether you let the play go as I described it or not is up to you, but it shouldn't be a common foul in my opinion.

So you are saying you would call IF on my screen play for a fist full o' jersey....

I get what you are saying...I'm replaying the very scenario I posted where a defender had a fist full of the back of a cutters jersey going throught the lane...I saw it from T position and called the hold. I might give this different consideration the next time I see it and your comment has me thinking that way...

don't know how someone would accidentally have a fist full of jersey.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

I agree this is an intentional act on on a breakaway...

Let's pose this question....If this play were to happen where defense commits the following on a player who was working around a teammates screen and the defense is trying to stay with thier man..

A)grabbed a handful of the jersey
B) grabbed a handful of wrist

Are we going to call these intentional or just a common holding foul?

I agree with you (I think).

If the offensive player is closere to the basket than the defensive player, and the defensive player reaches out and grabs the jersey from behind to stop a breakaway, then it's an intentional foul.

If the offensive player is going past the defensive player, and the defensive player "reaches" (as the coaches like to say) instead of playing good defense by moving the feet and in doing so happens to grab the jersey, then it's a common foul.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree with you (I think).

If the offensive player is closere to the basket than the defensive player, and the defensive player reaches out and grabs the jersey from behind to stop a breakaway, then it's an intentional foul.

If the offensive player is going past the defensive player, and the defensive player "reaches" (as the coaches like to say) instead of playing good defense by moving the feet and in doing so happens to grab the jersey, then it's a common foul.

Which is what happened on my inbounds play, essentially.

It's dangerous when we try to paint every play (every jersey grab is intentional) with the same brush.