Free Throw Shooter

[bob jenkins]

I'll side with Nevada on this one.

Of course, that probably means Mary will rule the opposite.

[Nevadaref]

MTD,
Thanks for sending that play along.
Two comments:
1. I wish you have clearly stated in the scenario that the rebounding foul occurs BEFORE the clock runs.
2. I certainly hope that Mary's answer is faithful to the logic expressed in situation 5 from the 2002-03 Interps. Since the NFHS says that that player MUST leave in that situation after the coach was beckoned out and the team would continue with four since the substitution rule cannot be set aside. We must logically conclude that it is not proper to waive the requirements of the substitution rules in the situation posed by Snaqwells either. Perhaps you should have also included that citation in your email.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

MTD,
Thanks for sending that play along.
Two comments:
1. I wish you have clearly stated in the scenario that the rebounding foul occurs BEFORE the clock runs.
2. I certainly hope that Mary's answer is faithful to the logic expressed in situation 5 from the 2002-03 Interps. Since the NFHS says that that player MUST leave in that situation after the coach was beckoned out and the team would continue with four since the substitution rule cannot be set aside. We must logically conclude that it is not proper to waive the requirements of the substitution rules in the situation posed by Snaqwells either. Perhaps you should have also included that citation in your email.

Item (1): Yikes, you are correct. We all knew what we were chatting about, but will Mary understand? That is the $64,000 question.

And as we speak, Mary returned my email with a ruling based upon the fact the the clock had started before A1's foul. ROFLMAO!! She also didn't like that I went directly to her rather than go through the OhioHSAA office, meaning it could take weeks if not months to get an answer. So I responded again requesting an interpretation because she is the final authority on the matter not a StateHSAA and that I am a member of NFOA and that should entitle me to request interpretations directly from her. Nothing like making the boss angry. ROFLMAO!!

Just another fun day in the DeNucci Family household.

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

Why don't you just email her the link to this thread and ask her to read it?

She could then send something out to the heads of all state associations.

PS She was probably ticked because without the specification that the foul occurred PRIOR to the clock starting, she likely felt that you were bothering her with a trivial play.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why don't you just email her the link to this thread and ask her to read it?

She could then send something out to the heads of all state associations.

PS She was probably ticked because without the specification that the foul occurred PRIOR to the clock starting, she likely felt that you were bothering her with a trivial play.

Well she did say that the ruling was very simple one, but when I replied to her email stating that I was not as clear as I should have been in describing the play and clarified the the game clock situation she refused to answer any further emails from me. Of course her attitude about me sending my play to my State Interpreter instead of her go my dander up and I told her that as the Rules Editor she is the final word on all rules interpretation and that as a member of NFOA I had a right to request an interpretation directly from her probably added fuel to the fire.

None-the-less, I have posted the play on the NFHS Basketball Discussion Forum. The URL for the thread is:

http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...&f=11&t=001669

I hope that people will read the thread and and post their opinions; Then after a sufficient number of posts have been made one of us could then email her and request that she read the thread and give us an official NFHS interpretation.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. When the time comes to send Mary an email if anyone needs her email just email me at DeNucciBASKETBALL (at) Hotmail (dot) com, and I will email it to you.

[Johnny Ringo]

Situation: Tech on Team B ... can anyone on Team A shoot the Tech - including a player who was not on the floor and was on the bench?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Situation: Tech on Team B ... can anyone on Team A shoot the Tech - including a player who was not on the floor and was on the bench?

Johnny:

The answer to your question is yes.

MTD, Sr.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I hope that people will read the thread and and post their opinions; Then after a sufficient number of posts have been made one of us could then email her and request that she read the thread and give us an official NFHS interpretation.

Mark, just because someone is an Editor doesn't mean that they are completely knowledgeable about the material that they are editing. I've seen too many wierd(for you, Chuck) rulings issued by her to consider her as a definitive rules source. You might be better off to go to your state interpreter or another Rules Committee member on this one.

As Tony said, it's not really covered definitively. My own feeling? The purpose and intent imo of the substitution rules were to not allow coaches to play games or gain an unfair advantage with or through the substitution process. Allowing a legitimately injured player who has recovered to re-enter the game in one specific case to make up 5 players on the court isn't really an unfair advantage. Note again that is just my personal opinion. I'm surerashell about as far from being a definitive rules source as you can get.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

As many of you know (or may not know) NASO is having its annual officiating summit in Cleveland, Ohio from Sunday thru Tuesday. I am not going because it costs $400 (not including hotel rooms) for a NASO member (which I am) and I am too cheap to fork out that kind of money.

BUT on Saturday, the OhiHSAA is having an officiating clinic for its officials in basketball, football, soccer (futbol, ), and volleyball at the same hotel as the NASO Officials Summit. The cost is $30 (the official has to choose one of the four sports) and an official gets credit for the mandatory State Rules Meeting and one Local Association Rules Meeting. 'The Preacher" and I are going for the basketball clinic.

Mary Struckhoff will be at the NASO Summit and I have just talked with the OhioHSAA office and while Mary Struckhoff is not scheduled for as a clinician for the OhioHSAA Clinic there is the chance that she will make an appearence at the basketball clinic because Hank Zaborniak, of the OhioHSAA will be speaking at the NASO Officials Summit. And if she does show up for a question and answer session, I will be asking her about this play.

MTD, Sr.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Of course, that probably means Mary will rule the opposite.

She hasn't failed us yet, has she?