Screening

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

I think not,

From the NCAA rules which mirror the Fed rules in this instance (I think)

In cases of blind screens, the opponent may make inadvertent contact
with the screener; and, if the opponent is running rapidly, the contact
may be severe. Such a case is to be ruled as incidental contact, provided
that the opponent stops (or attempts to stop) on contact and moves
around the screen, and provided that the screener is not displaced if he
or she has the ball.

There's your problem right there. The play that we are discussing is NOT a blind screen. Blind screens are screens set outside the opponent's visual field. We're discussing screens that are set within an opponent's visual field.

Apples and oranges. For blind screens, you have to give time/distance-one step for NCAA. For screens within an opponent's visual field, that opponent is expected to stop and go around the screen with no time/distance allowed.

NCAA 4-59-3(a) describes a blind screen(outside the opponent's visual field...i.e. from behind); 4-59-3(b) refers to screens within the visual field of a an opponent...i.e. from the front or side.

You cited (e) from NCAA Appendix 3 above. You should have cited Appendix 3(f), That's what is being discussed.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There's your problem right there. The play that we are discussing is NOT a blind screen. Blind screens are screens set outside the opponent's visual field. We're discussing screens that are set within an opponent's visual field.

Apples and oranges. For blind screens, you have to give time/distance-one step for NCAA. For screens within an opponent's visual field, that opponent is expected to stop and go around the screen with no time/distance allowed.

NCAA 4-59-3(a) describes a blind screen(outside the opponent's visual field...i.e. from behind); 4-59-3(b) refers to screens within the visual field of a an opponent...i.e. from the front or side.

You cited (e) from NCAA Appendix 3 above. You should have cited Appendix 3(f), That's what is being discussed.

My post included a quote for JRut, #12, where JRut indicated he didn't think it mattered if the screen was seen or not. I questioned that point, not the OP. I think that is indicated by having quoted JRut in my post.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

My post included a quote for JRut, #12, where JRut indicated he didn't think it mattered if the screen was seen or not. I questioned that point, not the OP. I think that is indicated by having quoted JRut in my post.

With all due respect Sam, I think both M&M and JR took my comments in the context of thread and the OP. You seemed to take my comments in a general way outside of what we were talking about. That is why I believe both responded to your assertion of what should or should not be called. I stand by what I said in the context of what was asked in the OP. Whether they "technically" see a screen coming with multiple steps before contact does not eliminate their responsibility for being called with a foul.

Peace