Late Whistle

[MOofficial]

I have heard many different opinions on this, but had it come up twice tonight in a tournament game.

How do you all feel about the late whistle, looking to the vets on this board to help me out with this. I had one in the boys game. I'm the trail, lead is straighlined, I see the contact on the arm but let the lead see if he had anything, shot goes up he has nothing, ball rims out I blow a foul knowing the ball is not going in the hole.

Coach ask what I have. I told the coach that I realize it was a late blow on my part but there was obvious contact that my partner missed and I was waiting to see if the ball went into the hole and it did not and reason being because of the contact. He said I guess if there was a foul you had to blow it.

I have had many college officials say that the late whistle is a great way to go about it. What are some other opinions?

[TRef21]

GO with the late whistle at any level you are working, especially at the college level. These guys can play through a lot. See the Play START, DEVELOP, FINISH. Coming in late is always good especially when its coming from the secondary.

[MOofficial]

Exactly the case. I wasn't the primary and I felt the contact altered the shot. There has to be some people on here who don't feel it is good. Looking for some pro's and con's

[Adam]

I'm not against late whistles for various reasons. I prefer the term "patient whistle," though. Like a ball handler dribbling around a defender who slaps the arm. Or on a rebound, when A1 gets the ball and gets pushed slightly by B1. Sometimes it takes a second to see if there was a foul on the contact.

That said, I'd have to be 100% sure this was a foul and my partner was shielded from view before I'd make the call. Normally, I'd trust that my partner saw it better than I did, and must have had a reason to pass on it.

We had one of those today that my partner later said he could have helped me out on with a whistle. A hold I (as lead) was straight lined on and couldn't see, followed by A1 throwing the ball out of bounds. I called the OOB violation and we played on. P told me about it after the game.

[Karin]

Using FIBA and Tower principles down here.NO advantage/disadvantage EVER on a shooter but holding whistle to see whole play and reward player heading toward basket.We hare seeing a basket waved off because a whistle has gone to soon.
I would suggest in this scenario good help out to partner.

[Karin]

Using FIBA and Tower principles down here.NO advantage/disadvantage EVER on a shooter but holding whistle to see whole play and reward player heading toward basket.We hate seeing a basket waved off because a whistle has gone to soon.
I would suggest in this scenario good help out to partner.

[johnnyrao]

Originally Posted by MOofficial

Coach ask what I have. I told the coach that I realize it was a late blow on my part but there was obvious contact that my partner missed and I was waiting to see if the ball went into the hole and it did not and reason being because of the contact. He said I guess if there was a foul you had to blow it.

I really hope you did not tell the coach that your partner missed an obvious foul. Maybe he did, but I don't think we need to be telling this to a coach. You just called you partner's ability into question.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by johnnyrao

I really hope you did not tell the coach that your partner missed an obvious foul. Maybe he did, but I don't think we need to be telling this to a coach. You just called you partner's ability into question.

That's exactly what I thought when I first read the OP. That's called "throwing your partner under the bus". Not a good idea.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by MOofficial

How do you all feel about the late whistle, looking to the vets on this board to help me out with this. I had one in the boys game. I'm the trail, lead is straighlined, I see the contact on the arm but let the lead see if he had anything, shot goes up he has nothing, ball rims out I blow a foul knowing the ball is not going in the hole.

I have had many college officials say that the late whistle is a great way to go about it. What are some other opinions?

A "patient" whistle is not a "late" whistle, as Snaqs said.

Sometimes you just have to trust your partner if it's his call. And if it's his call, he should have the patient whistle, not you.

Btw, if you were both watching the shooter and defender, who was watching the other eight players?

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sometimes you just have to trust your partner if it's his call. And if it's his call, he should have the patient whistle, not you.

Btw, if you were both watching the shooter and defender, who was watching the other eight players?

Jurassic, something tells me that I'm the only one that even paid attention to this part of your post. Your comments aren't popular here because many believe they must always help their (paid) partner who just so happens to be officiating on-ball. How ironic! Additionally, many officials are more concerned with making witty comments than good communication. Answer questions, not comments. Silence can't be quoted. In other words, if you don't know what to say, don't say anything.

After telling us you said, "I told the coach my partner missed..." everything else sounds like blah, blah, womp, womp.

[Adam]

I caught it, but then again, I agree with it. I've focussed hard over the last few years on not watching the ball, but being aware of what's going on with it. This year, it's finally starting to click.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Additionally, many officials are more concerned with making witty comments than good communication. Answer questions, not comments. Silence can't be quoted. In other words, if you don't know what to say, don't say anything.

Excellent advice imo for any official, no matter at which stage of their development they happen to be in.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Jurassic, something tells me that I'm the only one that even paid attention to this part of your post. Your comments aren't popular here because many believe they must always help their (paid) partner who just so happens to be officiating on-ball. How ironic! Additionally, many officials are more concerned with making witty comments than good communication...

Maybe the other 8 players were blocking the Lead from seeing the shooter?

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Jurassic, something tells me that I'm the only one that even paid attention to this part of your post. Your comments aren't popular here because many believe they must always help their (paid) partner who just so happens to be officiating on-ball. How ironic! Additionally, many officials are more concerned with making witty comments than good communication. Answer questions, not comments. Silence can't be quoted. In other words, if you don't know what to say, don't say anything.

After telling us you said, "I told the coach my partner missed..." everything else sounds like blah, blah, womp, womp.

Something tells me you were not the only one who paid attention to that part of his post. Just because others didn't comment, doesn't mean we didn't read/agree. I'm with you.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by ChrisSportsFan

Something tells me you were not the only one who paid attention to that part of his post. Just because others didn't comment, doesn't mean we didn't read/agree. I'm with you.

You may be right, but by saying that more conversation has occured. Let's keep it real and call these situations out more instead of entertaining posters about why they should constantly call all over the court. I have to check myself too. Last night in the second half of a NAIA game I had to internally chastised myself. I was clearly watching the ball during a play. Nothing happened, but something could have and I had to get my head out of my butt and do my job. It happens, but we should call it what it is instead of saying we have to do it for various reasons.