Goal Tending

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Agreed as far as taking the backboard out of the equation, but I have seen it called a lot more times than not...honestly personally I have probably had it less than ten times in my own games and can only remember once when I didn't call it...

Most layups start just above the pad???? I disagree with this, unless we are talking from the point guard? The release may be from just above the pad, but the contact with the backboard happens more like at ring level or above...and that is what we are talking about contact after the ball has contacted the backboard.....

You don't understand the rule...period.

The ball has to be entirely above the ring level, on it's downward flight, with a chance to go in.

You obviously don't want to hear the, "It hit the backboard, that's goal tending," refrain from the coaches and fans, so you call it...wrong if you call 9 out of 10 a violation.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

You don't understand the rule...period.

The ball has to be entirely above the ring level, on it's downward flight, with a chance to go in.

You obviously don't want to hear the, "It hit the backboard, that's goal tending," refrain from the coaches and fans, so you call it...wrong if you call 9 out of 10 a violation.

is right. i do understand the rule, i just disagree about where a layup first contacts the backboard...unless the munckins are playing a game in oz, most layups don't contact the backboard just above the pad...the ball contacts the backboard, goes up for an instant and then begins a downward flight.....once it begins that downward flight (regardless if it is in the cylinder) it is a goaltend - bi if it is within the cylinder..if it is a layup above rim level i assume it has a chance to go in...what did I miss? had one two weeks ago from C that the T agreed with 100%, but i suppose he was just worried about the fans and coaches or didn't understand the rule either..

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by kbilla

is right. i do understand the rule, i just disagree about where a layup first contacts the backboard...unless the munckins are playing a game in oz, most layups don't contact the backboard just above the pad...the ball contacts the backboard, goes up for an instant and then begins a downward flight.....once it begins that downward flight (regardless if it is in the cylinder) it is a goaltend - bi if it is within the cylinder..if it is a layup above rim level i assume it has a chance to go in...what did I miss? had one two weeks ago from C that the T agreed with 100%, but i suppose he was just worried about the fans and coaches or didn't understand the rule either..

You've seen it 10 times and called a violation 9 out of 10.

I've seen it dozens of times and have seen and called a handful of violations.

Your numbers are waaay off which tells me one thing.

[kbilla]

Could be...or could just be a numbers game? Maybe you just fit into Nevada's awesome official mold and are able to discern the slightest misdirection of the ball in only 100ths of a second...I guess I'm not there yet...and I guess there are no awesome officials in this area either b/c I see this called FAR more often than I see it passed on..I may need to go see JRut at Loyola this weekend

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Could be...or could just be a numbers game? Maybe you just fit into Nevada's awesome official mold and are able to discern the slightest misdirection of the ball in only 100ths of a second...I guess I'm not there yet...and I guess there are no awesome officials in this area either b/c I see this called FAR more often than I see it passed on..I may need to go see JRut at Loyola this weekend

Well you are in an area where someone who constantly gets rules wrong and mechanics incorrect in their posts is working college ball.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Well you are in an area where someone who constantly gets rules wrong and mechanics incorrect in their posts is working college ball.

Touche

[Scrapper1]

I posted this in an old thread, but maybe it will be helpful here. I admit that I didn't read this whole thread, so if somebody has posted something similar, I apologize, but in any case. . .

In order to have GT, there must be a try for goal. For BI, it doesn't matter how the ball gets on the rim or in the cylinder. Could be a pass or a deflection. But for GT, it must be a try.

Goaltending:

1. Must be a try.
2. Must be on the way down.
3. Must be completely outside the cylinder.
4. Must be completely above the rim.
5. Must have a chance to go in.

Basket Interference:

1. Can't touch the ball if it's in the cylinder.
2. Can't touch the basket or ball if it's on or in the basket.
3. Can't touch the ball (even outside the cylinder) after reaching through the basket.
4. If rim is moved, it can't contact the ball before returning to its original position.

[blindzebra]

Keep in mind that in most of the cases I've seen it, you have ball out of the shooters hand, ball off the BB, block in a bang-bang-bang situation.

Rarely have I seen it ball, BB, pause, block which is what would be needed for the ball to start a downward flight.