NCAA question

[JS 20]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

It was a double whistle situation where the lead called the foul and the C came in with the intentional signal. I can only guess that when they talked, the C agreed to drop the intentional call. I think that was a mistake. It wasn't the hardest foul you'll ever see, but an intentional would have been a good call in that sit.

Exactly, C came in w/ the intentional while L was in between the players. I agree it should have been an intentional. Correct me if i'm wrong, but from what I remember, not only did the defender grab the shooter's arm and pull him to the ground, but he grabbed it at or above the elbow. I think he had him around the bicep area, can't really say he was going for the ball. Based on the situation he was just trying to stop the dunk. In retrospect, given what happened afterwards, kind of wonder why they didn't leave it as an intentional to help get control of the game.

[jeffpea]

didn't see the play, only the previous postings.....based on the descriptions, the crew did NOT handle the T correctly. They had a dead ball T (happened after the original foul was called) that included contact (the pushing/shoving) which they deemed not to be Flagrant ( not combative action/punch/etc) - this is one of two situations where the T is penalized by 2 FT's and the ball (administered at half-court opposite the table). In essence, the crew had an intentional technical foul and did not penalize correctly.

There are only two possible explanations for handling the T penaly as they did: 1) the got it wrong, or 2) the T was not called for a shove/push, but rather just for something a player said verbally......

I had this exact situation happen to me earlier in the year and did not administer the penalty correctly. As a result, I'll "never make that mistake again"......

[Scrapper1]

Jeff is correct -- IF the technical foul was for dead ball contact. That would make it an intentional technical foul by Men's rules; which means the penalty is 2 shots and the ball. They should have shot the free throws for the personal foul first with the lane cleared. Then shot the free throws for the T with the lane cleared, then awarded Kentucky the ball at midcourt.

It's also possible that the T was for something that was said -- making it an unsporting technical. In which case, the penalty is 2 free throws and resume at the POI.

[SoInZebra]

Do not be surprised if the new NCAA men's coordinator cleans up technical foul rules/administration in the next year or two.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by SoInZebra

Do not be surprised if the new NCAA men's coordinator cleans up technical foul rules/administration in the next year or two.

How? He's not going to be on the rules committee, is he?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

How? He's not going to be on the rules committee, is he?

I had the same question, but I figure he'll clean it up by personally attending every single game to make sure each and every T is handled exactly the proper way.

Or maybe not.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by SoInZebra

Do not be surprised if the new NCAA men's coordinator cleans up technical foul rules/administration in the next year or two.

New men's coordinator? Is Hank stepping down?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

New men's coordinator? Is Hank stepping down?

Yes, the new guy is the current assignor for the Horizon League. I can't remember his name off the top of my keyboard.

The Horizon League website says his name is John Adams.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Yes, the new guy is the current assignor for the Horizon League. I can't remember his name off the top of my keyboard.

The Horizon League website says his name is John Adams.

How can you not recall the name of a former President of the United States?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

didn't see the play, only the previous postings.....based on the descriptions, the crew did NOT handle the T correctly. They had a dead ball T (happened after the original foul was called) that included contact (the pushing/shoving) which they deemed not to be Flagrant ( not combative action/punch/etc) - this is one of two situations where the T is penalized by 2 FT's and the ball (administered at half-court opposite the table). In essence, the crew had an intentional technical foul and did not penalize correctly.

There are only two possible explanations for handling the T penaly as they did: 1) the got it wrong, or 2) the T was not called for a shove/push, but rather just for something a player said verbally......

I had this exact situation happen to me earlier in the year and did not administer the penalty correctly. As a result, I'll "never make that mistake again"......