NCAA, Question 50

[FVB9]

Anyone get this question correct? We have tried multiple iterations, including: "Members of the Offense..." and "A Fielder stands...". Those were the only two we could find for sure. Other submitted answers included those two plus "An on deck batter...", and I even tried all seven answers on my second submission.

We had 40 guys in a room in Chicago last nite and this one was perplexing.

[mcrowder]

Type the question in for us. We don't all have the test in front of us.

[bob jenkins]

The two that FVB9 typed in are the correct "book" answers.

The NCAA answer key has only one of those (I forget which) listed as "correct."

[Mike Goble]

The question in question:

50. By rule which of the following can result in a warning?
A. A runner removes his helmet in live ball territory while the ball is alive.
B. A fielder, without the ball, fakes a tag.
C. Members of the offense line-up along the third base line to touch knuckles with a home run hitter before he reaches the plate.
D. An on-deck batter uses objects other than bats to loosen up.
E. A fielder stands in such a way that a runner tagging up cannot see a catch in the outfield.
F. A fielder verbally interferes; i.e., tells a runner advancing on a wild pitch: "foul ball".
G. A batter throws a bat carelessly.

I think the only correct answer is E. C relates to warning on the first offense and ejecting for further offenses. If the whole team is out there, you have multiple offenses and an ejection. Can you warn and eject on the same play?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Mike Goble
The question in question:

50. By rule which of the following can result in a warning?
A. A runner removes his helmet in live ball territory while the ball is alive.
B. A fielder, without the ball, fakes a tag.
C. Members of the offense line-up along the third base line to touch knuckles with a home run hitter before he reaches the plate.
D. An on-deck batter uses objects other than bats to loosen up.
E. A fielder stands in such a way that a runner tagging up cannot see a catch in the outfield.
F. A fielder verbally interferes; i.e., tells a runner advancing on a wild pitch: "foul ball".
G. A batter throws a bat carelessly.

I think the only correct answer is E. C relates to warning on the first offense and ejecting for further offenses. If the whole team is out there, you have multiple offenses and an ejection. Can you warn and eject on the same play?

I read the rule as a "team" warning, then ejecting someone who does it again -- the words "ejection of ONE of the offending players" implies (to me) that you wouldnt' eject someone during the first such play in which multiple teammates violate the rule.

[Mike Goble]

I'd have thought that there would be a warning also, but if NCAA recognizes only one correct answer to this question, which answer would it be? Clearly E gets a warning as accorded by 8-3-f.

Maybe it's a semantics thing. In 5-2-d the infraction refers to 'no offensive team member' which to me means one guy. When the second guy commits an offense immediately after the first offense, you eject the 'one player' without warning.

By contrast, 5-2-e refers to 'uniformed team members or coaches' which to me means one or multiple members caught in violation constitute the first infraction and the warning. They also use plural cases in the penalty description.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Mike Goble
I'd have thought that there would be a warning also, but if NCAA recognizes only one correct answer to this question, which answer would it be? Clearly E gets a warning as accorded by 8-3-f.

You're assuming that the NCAA answer key is correct. That might not be a valid assumption.

[Mike Goble]

By your own admission, NCAA says there's only one correct answer, and I was just supposing they were grading the question as such. It's their test, their answers and their interpretations, and if they say you're wrong and missed the question I guess you're SOL.

[JJ]

I think Bob Jenkins is onto something when he questions the answer key. I wouldn't be surprised if, after the deadline for testing, the NCAA comes out and says, "Oops - there were a couple of the answer key answers that were either not complete or were not correct." I for one was not willing to leave an answer incomplete or incorrect just to satisfy the answer key, and my final test results reflect that. BUT - I did what the NCAA wants all of us to do - I hit the books HARD, talked with umpires who are good with the rules, and did a little logical thinking on my own. To those who thought THAT was not possible - HAH!

[bob jenkins]

Exactly. It's damn-near impossible to put together a test of this nature without some mistake in the process -- either a typo, or an assumption by the person writing the question that's "obvious" to him / her but not to someone reading the quesiton independently, or just a "I'm sure I checked both C and E on the answer key when I filed the test".

So, if your goal is 100%, just enter answer E (or whatever it is).

Now, having said that, it's entirely possible that my understanding of the rule is flawed and that C (or whatever) really is not one of the rules allowing a warning. I hope that the NCAA answer key provides reasoning and explanations (and not just rules references).

[UMP25]

Originally posted by FVB9
Anyone get this question correct? We have tried multiple iterations, including: "Members of the Offense..." and "A Fielder stands...". Those were the only two we could find for sure. Other submitted answers included those two plus "An on deck batter...", and I even tried all seven answers on my second submission.

We had 40 guys in a room in Chicago last nite and this one was perplexing.

JC, I talked to several friends of mine in three states, guys who work DI, DII, and DIII, and not ONE of them got #50 correct. The NCAA's answer key shows only one correct answer to that question, and I do believe they are mistaken.

Who writes those exams? Perhaps they ought to lay off the sauce when doing so.

[DG]

Originally posted by Mike Goble
The question in question:

50. By rule which of the following can result in a warning?
A. A runner removes his helmet in live ball territory while the ball is alive.
B. A fielder, without the ball, fakes a tag.
C. Members of the offense line-up along the third base line to touch knuckles with a home run hitter before he reaches the plate.
D. An on-deck batter uses objects other than bats to loosen up.
E. A fielder stands in such a way that a runner tagging up cannot see a catch in the outfield.
F. A fielder verbally interferes; i.e., tells a runner advancing on a wild pitch: "foul ball".
G. A batter throws a bat carelessly.

I think the only correct answer is E. C relates to warning on the first offense and ejecting for further offenses. If the whole team is out there, you have multiple offenses and an ejection. Can you warn and eject on the same play?

Multiple offenses, but one team warning. Ejection(s) would come late. The answer key has C as the only correct answer (5-2-d), but E would also be (8-3-f). The warning would come after the obstruction award.