Delay to the nth degree

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ralph

Let go of the past and move on, my son. We are now talking about someone who doesn't have the common sense to back a kid (or kids) up two feet to prevent him from having to make a point every throw-in.

How do you know he didn't? What if the infractions were after made baskets when there isn't the chance to bak them up? If the kids didn't learn after the first or second T, what makes you think they'd learn after another "warning?"

You really have to WANT to call technicals to let this easy to fix violation (in a REC league mind you) happen over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

If the purpose of this particular rec league is better served by ignoring (or otherwise changing) this particular rule, then I'm sure it would have been changed. (See "no press" or "man-to-man defense only" or "everyone must play" rules for common examples) Given that it hasn't, it should be enforced.

By the way, I didn't read where anyone has called or even witnessed NINE technicals in one game in their life. That says it all.

Right. That's why it was worthy of posting. A post like "I called both a travelling violation and a shooting foul in one game today" wouldn't be that interesting (unless, perhaps, those were the only calls of the day).

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

How do you know he didn't? He never said he did or stated that he constantly tried to prevent the infraction through game management.
What if the infractions were after made baskets when there isn't the chance to bak them up? If the kids didn't learn after the first or second T, what makes you think they'd learn after another "warning?" NINE technicals plus one warning = 10 opportunities to NOT call a T. He gave up or tried to prove he was the master of the court.


If the purpose of this particular rec league is better served by ignoring (or otherwise changing) this particular rule, then I'm sure it would have been changed. (See "no press" or "man-to-man defense only" or "everyone must play" rules for common examples) Given that it hasn't, it should be enforced. Did he call every single infraction or did he use judgment and let some go? HMMM. Why is this different? I seriously doubt he called EVERY travel or carry in this rec game of 12 year olds.


Right. That's why it was worthy of posting. A post like "I called both a travelling violation and a shooting foul in one game today" wouldn't be that interesting (unless, perhaps, those were the only calls of the day). It was worthy of posting to show everyone how NOT to do it.

Wow.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ralph

Wow.

Sorry, Ralph, your "logic" doesn't fly.

According to the OP, about 1/2 of the Ts were for interfering with the ball after a basket and the other 1/2 were for breaking the plane. (one was 5 and the other was 4). I'm "sure" Mark didn't call a T everytime the ball was just touched after going through the basket -- he knows the rule. There's no way to "warn" against this infraction each time it's about to happen. Likewise, I'm sure he (and his partner) didn't call the T for just "barely" breaking the plane. And, I'm "sure" he called every egregious travelling and carry. (okay, I'm less sure on this one, because calls get missed.)

IOW, s*** happens -- and it happened in this game.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Sorry, Ralph, your "logic" doesn't fly.

According to the OP, about 1/2 of the Ts were for interfering with the ball after a basket and the other 1/2 were for breaking the plane. (one was 5 and the other was 4). I'm "sure" Mark didn't call a T everytime the ball was just touched after going through the basket -- he knows the rule. There's no way to "warn" against this infraction each time it's about to happen. Likewise, I'm sure he (and his partner) didn't call the T for just "barely" breaking the plane. And, I'm "sure" he called every egregious travelling and carry. (okay, I'm less sure on this one, because calls get missed.)

IOW, s*** happens -- and it happened in this game.

You're absolutely correct, Bob. Sometimes they batted the ball away, sometimes they caught it, held it and even walked a few steps with it. In fact, one time one of them held the ball and pulled it away from the kid on the other team as he tried to take it so he could go and inbound!

As far as breaking the plane, they waved their hands way over the line even thought the inbounder was far enough back that they couldn't come close to touching the ball and twice, they even tried to reach over and "face guard" the inbounder! They also jumped over the line once and I mean really jumped.

The weird thing was, on offense, they committed very few turnovers. They had a point guard that was an excellent ball handler and he pretty much ran their offense the entire game.

Unfortunately, they needed to have the wax cleaned out of their ears. They just never listened and they certainly didn't learn. After a few calls, even their own parents were yelling at them.

Oh yeah - we got zero flak from coaches and/or parents. After the game, the two coaches shook hands. The other coach said to this team's coach, "Whatever was going on with your guys today?" He responded, "I have no idea, but I'm going to find out at our next practice and stop it."