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BillyMac Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:55am

Annoying
 
From Grunewar: "Very annoying!"

Agreed. Against the rules? I don't think so, unless you really want to bend the rules regarding sportmanship, and that's going to be a tough sell.

Do Forum members have similar thoughts on players who "yell" at the player who beat them, and is about to make an open layup. They're too far behind to block the ball, or to foul, so they "yell", trying to disconcert the shooter.

mick Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:12pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac
From Grunewar: "Very annoying!"

Agreed. Against the rules? I don't think so, unless you really want to bend the rules regarding sportmanship, and that's going to be a tough sell.

Do Forum members have similar thoughts on players who "yell" at the player who beat them, and is about to make an open layup. They're too far behind to block the ball, or to foul, so they "yell", trying to disconcert the shooter.

My thought is that is a character problem, better dealt with by parents and maybe even coaches.

Mark Padgett Sun Dec 16, 2007 01:02pm

Lots of times, kids (usually girls) yell ball, ball, ball, etc. when I'm getting ready to hand the ball to the inbounder. When that happens, I stop, look at the ball, look at the kid and say, "Yes, you're right. It is a ball." That usually shuts them up. Sometimes, they even laugh.

When I hear boys yelling it, I tell them, "only girls say that". That always shuts them up.

kbilla Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:35am

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
That is odd ... did you play basketball growing up (fair question)? If so, you surely would have encountered this somewhere along the way.

I played from 4th grade through hs and was never taught to constantly yell "ball, ball ball!" for the whole time that somebody had the ball...we were told to yell "ball" once when the player we were defending received the ball so everyone knew we were on the ball...although we were taught to yell "UP UP UP UP" once a dribble was picked up....but to yell something CONSTANTLY, no we were never taught that...it's not like this is a universally accepted method of teaching defense, I'm not all that suprised if OP had never seen it....

FrankHtown Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:41am

I'm from NJ were we were taught to play defense with our feet, not our mouths.

Johnny Ringo Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:22pm

I guess I might have misunderstood the OP a bit. The word constantly throws a wrench in things. Of coursenot constantly, but initially ... surprised to hear if nobody has never heard this concept at all.

Bearfanmike20 Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:36pm

I was the guy...

MIIIIIIIIIIIISS!!!

PaREF Mon Dec 17, 2007 03:10pm

Just curious...does it seem like constantly yelling "ball, ball, ball..." is an effective strategy? I could see it being unnerving for grade school-age players but I would think that it would lose it's affect after players gain some experience.

mkiogima Mon Dec 17, 2007 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by mick
We generally played baseball, football and basketball in Michigan.

I thought you guys stuck to Hockey in "da yoopee, eh?"

Jimgolf Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:39am

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Originally Posted by PaREF
Just curious...does it seem like constantly yelling "ball, ball, ball..." is an effective strategy? I could see it being unnerving for grade school-age players but I would think that it would lose it's affect after players gain some experience.

It's not supposed to be unnerving. It's supposed to let defensive teammates know where the ball is when they are looking away.

Nevadaref Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:43am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do Forum members have similar thoughts on players who "yell" at the player who beat them, and is about to make an open layup. They're too far behind to block the ball, or to foul, so they "yell", trying to disconcert the shooter.

My personal opinion is that's a technical foul, but I doubt that there is widespread agreement upon that.

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
My personal opinion is that's a technical foul, but I doubt that there is widespread agreement upon that.

You are quite correct with regards to your doubts. There is very little agreement amongst officials(at least those that I have met) with your personal opinion. The general consensus seems to be that it's OOO-ish.

Nevadaref Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:40pm

To me it is "behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play."

I don't see how a player yelling, "Look out!" at an opponent going in for an uncontested layup is sporting behavior.

That's just not acceptable at the HS level.

Adam Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:42pm

But it's generally accepted, so I guess it is acceptable.

Nevadaref Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:45pm

I don't believe that making a kid think that he is going to get hurt is ever an acceptable tactic. :(


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