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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 12:32pm
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I don't think Ch1 is saying it's an expected thing. It reads to me more like a personal goal, one that increases hustle. It's the hustle that gets noticed by evaluators, not the timing of his arrival to the endline.

I don’t think it's a bad goal to have, as long as one keeps it in perspective, which it seems he is.
I read it as what's expected from assignors. Just a matter of wording perhaps as we all have same goal.
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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 02:20pm
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I don't think Ch1 is saying it's an expected thing. It reads to me more like a personal goal, one that increases hustle. It's the hustle that gets noticed by evaluators, not the timing of his arrival to the endline.

I don’t think it's a bad goal to have, as long as one keeps it in perspective, which it seems he is.
While it certainly is hustling to be to the endline before the ball crosses the division line, but is it taking oneself out of a useful position just for the sake of hustle? What if there's a quick steal going back the other way? What if the D puts on a press? I prefer to pause to see if I'm going to be needed (if more than 2 defenders hang back to pressure the ball), then go down with the first wave of defenders. Perhaps that's "lazy" but I think it's smart. And I still get high marks for hustle.

It works for me.
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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 11:50am
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In 2 man mechanics there could be a grey area... If your breaking, and the ball is thrown down court and b1 just clobers a2 but new trail doesn't see it cause its technically in new leads area... that can pose problems....

Would anybody here disagree with a back pedal on the last 2 or 3 steps??.. that way you are turned around and in pos but you also have a very good idea of what is behind you cause you just turned around.??
I do not recall that someone is suggesting that if you backpedal a step or two is a bad thing. We are talking about going all the way down court or trying to beat someone to a spot by backpedaling. But I would not recommend that you backpedal as a habit because you have less of a chance seeing where you are going. And if the examples given do not convince you, then I do not know what to tell you.

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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 11:51am
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In 2 man mechanics there could be a grey area... If your breaking, and the ball is thrown down court and b1 just clobers a2 but new trail doesn't see it cause its technically in new leads area... that can pose problems....

Would anybody here disagree with a back pedal on the last 2 or 3 steps??.. that way you are turned around and in pos but you also have a very good idea of what is behind you cause you just turned around.??
Ummm yes, during transition from T to L, I would strongly suggest getting to the endline & being ready to accept the play before the ball crosses the division line. Challenge yourself to do this & you will see that the need/want/desire to backpedal will be eliminated.
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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 11:52am
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Ummm yes, during transition from T to L, I would strongly suggest getting to the endline & being ready to accept the play before the ball crosses the division line. Challenge yourself to do this & you will see that the need/want/desire to backpedal will be eliminated.
Yes.. that is always my goal.
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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 11:59am
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Ummm yes, during transition from T to L, I would strongly suggest getting to the endline & being ready to accept the play before the ball crosses the division line. Challenge yourself to do this & you will see that the need/want/desire to backpedal will be eliminated.
Before the ball crosses the division line? That is a little early if you ask me. Even in 3 Person that can be difficult. If that is expected, then people will forget to close down on a shot.

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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 12:10pm
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Before the ball crosses the division line?
Yes sir, that's how it's done in the city.

That is a little early if you ask me. Even in 3 Person that can be difficult.
JRut you're not really that old are you?

If that is expected, then people will forget to close down on a shot.
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FTR, the "endline before division line" technique includes closing down prior & not bailing out.
Not saying I get there everytime, but it's pretty darn close! Assignors & coaches alike certainly notice ones hustle when doing this, compared to backpeddaling or consistently trailing the play.
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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 11:24am
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NFHS
NF, NCAA, NBA, FIBA you do not backpedal.

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After a made basket where I will become the new lead, I like to backpedal from about the free throw line to the baseline. I get a full view of the court and the players.

Observers have graded me down for this, without very good reasoning in my opinion. They say you can't see where you are going which is true. However, it is also hard to see running forward with your head turned to the side. Does anyone else do this? Any constructive comments/suggestions welcome.
No other action I can think of screams "rookie" like backpedaling in a basketball game. Then usually you can find other actions that prove you are a "rookie" later.

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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 12:35pm
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Do not back pedal
We do not teach this in our association
I do observe and tell officials not good
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