Coach Issues

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Why??? would you do the same if the JV coach was sitting on the bench in the Frosh game? If not, then why not? I really don't get this...the POE on bench decorum is very clear.

Why you say. Let see. I toss the Varsity Coach in a Freshman Game. A game noone gives a second thought about played in obscurity in the auxilary gym. I'll Tee and toss Frosh Coaches and I'll Tee and toss Varsity Coaches (in fact I did this a week ago) in Varsity Games. In my state the coach is suspended one game at the level he was coaching. He/she sits one Frosh Game. In the meantime they can't coach the Varsity Team until the suspension is served. At this point I think my officiating career is over unless I move to another state.

It's not worth the heat. Kind of like pulling the Police Chief over and writing him a ticket on a Sunday when he's not working.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Why you say. Let see. I toss the Varsity Coach in a Freshman Game. A game noone gives a second thought about played in obscurity in the auxilary gym. I'll Tee and toss Frosh Coaches and I'll Tee and toss Varsity Coaches (in fact I did this a week ago) in Varsity Games. In my state the coach is suspended one game at the level he was coaching. He/she sits one Frosh Game. In the meantime they can't coach the Varsity Team until the suspension is served. At this point I think my officiating career is over unless I move to another state.

It's not worth the heat. Kind of like pulling the Police Chief over and writing him a ticket on a Sunday when he's not working.

So you will let a coach sit there and be as big an a-hole as they want to be because it's "only a frosh game" and it's "not worth the heat" - that about sum it up??

Like JR said earlier, time to grow a pair.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So you will let a coach sit there and be as big an a-hole as they want to be because it's "only a frosh game" and it's "not worth the heat" - that about sum it up??

Like JR said earlier, time to grow a pair.

Some will. Some absolutely refuse. That's why we see the same ol' POE on bench decorum year after year after year.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So you will let a coach sit there and be as big an a-hole as they want to be because it's "only a frosh game" and it's "not worth the heat" - that about sum it up??

Like JR said earlier, time to grow a pair.

You don't tug on Supermans cape, you don't spit into the wind and you don't pull the mask off of the Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with the Varsity Coach in a Frosh Game. Hey Kamikaze Pilots have stones the size of Everest. What did it get them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

You don't tug on Supermans cape, you don't spit into the wind and you don't pull the mask off of the Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with the Varsity Coach in a Frosh Game. Hey Kamikaze Pilots have stones the size of Everest. What did it get them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This makes me sad for you. A varsity coach is not superman, lone ranger, or the wind. He ain't a US Navy Battleship, either. He sure as hell ain't the police chief. He's a coach.

Your comparisons need work.

If he wants you to stop calling traveling, you gonna comply in the freshman game?

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This makes me sad for you. A varsity coach is not superman, lone ranger, or the wind. He ain't a US Navy Battleship, either. He sure as hell ain't the police chief. He's a coach.

Your comparisons need work.

If he wants you to stop calling traveling, you gonna comply in the freshman game?

Stop yourself

[Adam]

I'm just asking, 'cause you've just stated you're willing to set aside bench decorum rules in a freshman game rather than make waves with the all-powerful varsity coach. I'm just wondering exactly how compliant you think officials should be for Lord Coach.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm just asking, 'cause you've just stated you're willing to set aside bench decorum rules in a freshman game rather than make waves with the all-powerful varsity coach. I'm just wondering exactly how compliant you think officials should be for Lord Coach.

Let me think. On 12/7 I teed an assistant coach. I didn't want to do it his team was getting blown out but he was sceaming at me. On 12/14 I teed a varsity coach with 6 seconds left in a three point game and teed him again after he came after me when the game was over. He was of course ejected. And on 12/15 I teed a player for unsporting conduct. It was an interesting week.

Did I answer your question.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Why you say. Let see. I toss the Varsity Coach in a Freshman Game. A game noone gives a second thought about played in obscurity in the auxilary gym. I'll Tee and toss Frosh Coaches and I'll Tee and toss Varsity Coaches (in fact I did this a week ago) in Varsity Games. In my state the coach is suspended one game at the level he was coaching. He/she sits one Frosh Game. In the meantime they can't coach the Varsity Team until the suspension is served. At this point I think my officiating career is over unless I move to another state.

It's not worth the heat. Kind of like pulling the Police Chief over and writing him a ticket on a Sunday when he's not working.

Would be really funny if an AD from another school or a HS assignor was at that game watching his freshman child playing, wouldn't it? What do you think your chances of getting another game anywhere would be if he/she witnessed your lack of bench decorum management?

The minute you use the word "only" to describe the level of game you are officiating is the exact moment you need to stop officiating that level of ball. And I'm not making a value judgement here. Just saying if a certain level of basketball is in the "only" category why would you continue to ref it.

And another question, since when are we supposed to keep track of other "titles" of the bench personnel? I assume anyone sitting on the bench not wearing a uniform falls in one of 4 categories: Head Coach of that team; assistant coach of that team; injured player; trainer.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And another question, since when are we supposed to keep track of other "titles" of the bench personnel? I assume anyone sitting on the bench not wearing a uniform falls in one of 4 categories: Head Coach of that team; assistant coach of that team; injured player; trainer.

"Bench personnel." All are the same with the same rights and responsibilities (none).

[IchiRef]

FYI - in case anyone was wondering here is a little epilogue...

we called a good game tonight and this V-Coach (which I find out is also the AD) is the one who unlocks our dressing room, brings us a bottle of water, etc... and he was nice to use. We called really good games without anything out of the ordinary, except maybe an obvious intentional foul call (against his team). After the game, the JV coach, who is young and apparently took a page from V-coach's playbook and asks (respectfully) to talk to me before i go get changed, I comply and he started talking about how i disrespected his players because of the lack of calls, some of his players were crying (JV Boys) we did not talk to him, but just went to our dressing room.

Then this V-Coach/AD comes in and tells me that he will make sure that i never ref there again. since we had a good game i can only assume he is still bent out of shape about the original post situation and would have said this no matter how tonight went. I can think of nothing even close to anything he would have had a problem with tonight (BTW he had no problem with my partner) Also they have really really bad teams, this doesn't help things...Weird stuff...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IchiRef

FYI - in case anyone was wondering here is a little epilogue...

we called a good game tonight and this V-Coach (which I find out is also the AD) is the one who unlocks our dressing room, brings us a bottle of water, etc... and he was nice to use. We called really good games without anything out of the ordinary, except maybe an obvious intentional foul call (against his team). After the game, the JV coach, who is young and apparently took a page from V-coach's playbook and asks (respectfully) to talk to me before i go get changed, I comply and he started talking about how i disrespected his players because of the lack of calls, some of his players were crying (JV Boys) we did not talk to him, but just went to our dressing room.

Then this V-Coach/AD comes in and tells me that he will make sure that i never ref there again. since we had a good game i can only assume he is still bent out of shape about the original post situation and would have said this no matter how tonight went. I can think of nothing even close to anything he would have had a problem with tonight (BTW he had no problem with my partner) Also they have really really bad teams, this doesn't help things...Weird stuff...

This needs to get filed with your state, your assigner, your pastor, and your bishop. Okay, you might be able to leave the pastor and bishop out, but I'd definitely file a full report with your assigner and state governing body. If your assigner has any testicular fortitude, you'll have a couple more games with this coach again.

This is a pattern and this AD has issues.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by IchiRef

After the game, the JV coach, who is young and apparently took a page from V-coach's playbook and asks (respectfully) to talk to me before i go get changed, I comply and he started talking about how i disrespected his players because of the lack of calls, some of his players were crying (JV Boys) we did not talk to him, but just went to our dressing room.

Just a suggestion....fwiw.....

If a coach asks to talk to you post-game, tell the coach that you will do so only if he has a question about the rules that he would like answered. Tell him right up front before any discussion that if he just wants to b!tch about anything, there will be no discussion. If he does start to b!tch, then do exactly what you did above. Turn your back and leave. Nothing that you will say will ever change their minds.

Don't ever let these clowns get to you either.