Coach Issues

[Corndog89]

Ichi...

First, let me say that I agree with everything other posters have said before me on this thread. There's no excuse for the coach confronting you after the game...he lost face and sounds like he couldn't deal with it and that now must be addressed with your association, state, etc. However......

Go back to the start of the confrontation...you started it when you dorked up with the IW. Not a major mistake and one easily corrected, but it was your mistake to start with (and we've all done similar "DOH's"). When the V coach started yelling that you had proceeded incorrectly (incorrectly, BTW) you had a choice to make and it sounds like you reacted defensively. Technically you were correct, but, IMO, you escalated the situation by immediately telling the V coach "You're wrong" and then directing the frosh coach to shut up his "assistant" and keep him in line. Again IMO, you put the frosh coach on a huge spot because it's rare the HS frosh coach who is an "equal" to the V head coach...the frosh coach invariably works for the V coach in some capacity and is unlikely to direct or stand up to the V coach. Now the V coach has been publically humiliated over a minor mistake in a freshman game and the proverbial molehill has grown into a mountain.

What would I have done? Being a freshman game, and even though the V coach was technically an assistant, I would have brought him and the frosh coach together and explained my mistake and that we're going POI per the rules (I don't have my rules book with me so I can't cite the exact rule). By treating the V coach (who, face it, would be my real target for pacification in light of my error) as the de facto guy-in-charge, it would probably prevent any further blow-ups. Call it game management, call it humility, call it real-politick, but I want the game to continue without unecessarily bringing on more and bigger problems. This should never have escalated into a pi$$ing contest between me and the V coach.

For me the toughest part of officiating is dealing with coaches, and when I let my emotions overcome detached calm and logic, that's when I start to have real problems. Just one guy's 2 cents worth.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

Call it game management, call it humility, call it real-politick, but I want the game to continue without unecessarily bringing on more and bigger problems.

Or maybe call it a lack of balls....

Just one guy's two cent's worth.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Or maybe call it a lack of balls....

Just one guy's two cent's worth.

Ha ha how did I know this was coming?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Ha ha how did I know this was coming?

Well, hell.....

-official blows an accidental whistle
-officials corrects accidental whistle as per rules.
-a member of bench personnel who is NOT the head coach YELLS at official that he is wrong.
-official warns bench personnel about YELLING at him.
-official warns HEAD coach that a member of his bench personnel is getting out of line.
-warnings work without further in-game incidents.

There's not a damn thing the matter imo in the way that the official handled the incident. The actions of the varsity coach were wrong, and inexcusable.

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Or maybe call it a lack of balls....

Just one guy's two cent's worth.

Just the opposite...it takes balls to address your own mistakes and solve problems. Are you telling me you would have handled the original situation (not the V coach's actions after the game) as the original poster did? Look what balls did for him.

And nice job of taking one part of a larger commentary out of context.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

Just the opposite...it takes balls to address your own mistakes and solve problems. Are you telling me you would have handled the original situation (not the V coach's actions after the game) as the original poster did? Look what balls did for him.

And nice job of taking one part of a larger commentary out of context.

Yes. See my answer above.

It takes balls to take actions that will benefit other officials that have to go into that school for future games. Maybe next time the Varsity coach might hesitate before yelling at an official when he damnwell shouldn't be.

As for your larger commentary, for the record I disagree with it. The original poster didn't escalate anything. He stopped the unsporting actions of the Varsity coach.

As I said, just one guy's 2 cents worth, like it or not. Shrug.

[Corndog89]

JR...

Okay

[TheOracle]

CornDog, you are 100% correct. Once "balls" enters the eqaution, escalation is virtually unavoidable. The coach approaching after the game is inexcusable--however, better body language, choice or words, and tone of voice is probably what started the escalation here. You kick a call, it is best to admit it and take your medicine. Unless the whole gym hears a personal insult, you lose face by whacking somebody after you blow a call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

CornDog, you are 100% correct. Once "balls" enters the eqaution, escalation is virtually unavoidable. The coach approaching after the game is inexcusable--however, better body language, choice or words, and tone of voice is probably what started the escalation here. You kick a call, it is best to admit it and take your medicine. Unless the whole gym hears a personal insult, you lose face by whacking somebody after you blow a call.

You have absolutely no basis for making this judgment. None.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

You kick a call, it is best to admit it and take your medicine. Unless the whole gym hears a personal insult, you lose face by whacking somebody after you blow a call.

Whacking somebody is a situation unto itself. Doesn't matter how many calls you blew before, it is nobody's job on that bench to have commentary about them, especially if they were straightened out properly, as in this case. If somebody needs to be whacked, whack 'em, whether it be before or after any other call.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

You kick a call, it is best to admit it and take your medicine.

Taking your medicine is letting somebody on the bench who is NOT the head coach YELL at you without doing something about it?

Methinks you'd be better off looking to raise a new crop of testicles too....

Just one guy's 2 cents worth.....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Unless the whole gym hears a personal insult, you lose face by whacking somebody after you blow a call.

I missed this comment first time around. Don't know how....it's so ridiculous. Are you really saying that if a coach makes derogatory comments to you, but only loud enough that you can hear him, you should ignore those comments? You're really advocating that we should ignore personal insults as long as they're made quietly?

Un...freaking...believable...

Lah me.......

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

JR...

Okay

We just disagree philosophically, Corndoggie. Nothing personal, fer sure.

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

We just disagree philosophically, Corndoggie. Nothing personal, fer sure.

Agree completely. And I don't disagree with your position on this...just sounded like the original poster may have reacted somewhat defensively and maybe could have handled it differently; but I wasn't there so I don't really know. But he also did ask "anything I could have done better?" so I gave my thoughts. There's more than one way to skin any cat. The boys are a little tender now, though, thanks

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

As for your larger commentary, for the record I disagree with it. The original poster didn't escalate anything. He stopped the unsporting actions of the Varsity coach.

We really do not know that. All we know is that the official gave a warning; we do not know the tone of voice, the body language or facial expressions that might have been used to get that point across. Look, dealing with coaches is an art. Even if he handled it wonderfully, it does not mean the next officials will have to deal with the same behavior. Coaches react for all kinds of reasons and it does not matter what the other official did that perpetuates that. This coach was just a jerk and if he could not handle an official putting him into his place, he might go up against another official that is not worried about what he thinks and will report him appropriately. I know I do not officiate for the next guy. I officiate for myself and the crew that is on the game. I cannot take responsibility for what that coach does with other people. A coach might be a jerk to me and a nice guy to everyone else.

Peace