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Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

Had a sitch once like this not too long ago.....

I was T and the ball was being advanced toward half court against mild pressure (by this I mean the guard was about 7-8 feet away moving backwards to play normal D in the FC)....I happened to take my eyes off the dribbler to check/verify the clock (it was under :20 left and I wanted to get a good mental note of where we were at)...As I did this, I hear TIMEOUT-TIMEOUT...I blew the whistle and it was the guard not the ball handler that said it....I called an inadvertandt whistle and we put the ball back in play with a throw in from HC line...

I admit, I should have looked to verify....but the placement of the players really made me think it came from the ball handler...I was probably equidistant from both the guard and the dribbler when I heard it...it really sounded like it came from my right (where the ball handler was at) and not toward my left where the guard was at...

Is there a penalty here for what the defense did?

In this case since you blew the whistle to grant the TO, I believe the Defense should be granted & charged with the TO. No it should not have been granted to start with, but since the play was stopped for the TO, it must be granted. The only penalty would be if B team didnt have any TOs remaining.

[rockyroad]

IN HS, if you blow the whistle, they get the timeout and you tell the other coach "Oops. My bad."

In NCAA, you blow the whistle, say "Oops, my bad." and they do not get the timeout. I know this because I got reamed by a supervisor several years ago for doing it wrong.Don't have my books with me (they're out in the car and it's raining again) so I can't tell you the rule reference, but believe me, I will always remember that one!

[inigo montoya]

I had the opposite problem last night. Coach in my ear yelling "time out" near the end of the game. I had tuned him out, since he'd been yelling out plays to his players all game. My partner called the TO from across the floor. Coach was not very happy: "didn't you hear me calling for timeout?"

"Uh... [silence] ... sorry coach."

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by inigo montoya

I had the opposite problem last night. Coach in my ear yelling "time out" near the end of the game. I had tuned him out, since he'd been yelling out plays to his players all game. My partner called the TO from across the floor. Coach was not very happy: "didn't you hear me calling for timeout?"

"Uh... [silence] ... sorry coach."

Many times it's easier for an official away from the coach to see him asking for TO than it is to process everything when he's behind you. If you hear a coach, you must look away from the action to determine that he's actually the one requesting, then look back to determine that his team still has control, then grant the TO. That's a lot.

In your situation no need to say anything in response to the coach's question other than, "No."

[Coltdoggs]

Do you think the NFHS will alter this rule anytime soon that requires a player on the floor to be the one to request the TOs?

I absolutely hate when tableside and the coach is behind you calling for this and you have action to watch...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

Do you think the NFHS will alter this rule anytime soon that requires a player on the floor to be the one to request the TOs?

No. It's mostly coaches on the rules committee and they like the rule.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

Do you think the NFHS will alter this rule anytime soon that requires a player on the floor to be the one to request the TOs?

I absolutely hate when tableside and the coach is behind you calling for this and you have action to watch...

This is one part of FIBA I do like. Only the Coach or Asst Coach can request a T.O. at the table. Then at the appropriate time the table sounds the horn to notify the officials the coach has made the request. Keeps the flow of the game moving along.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

IN HS, if you blow the whistle, they get the timeout and you tell the other coach "Oops. My bad."

In NCAA, you blow the whistle, say "Oops, my bad." and they do not get the timeout. I know this because I got reamed by a supervisor several years ago for doing it wrong.Don't have my books with me (they're out in the car and it's raining again) so I can't tell you the rule reference, but believe me, I will always remember that one!

I couldn't find this in the 2006 or 2008 NCAA rule book, but i do believe that in NCAA, you do not grant the timeout in this situation.

Unfortunately, I kicked this in the oppposite direction when I was asked to officiate a 6th grade boys game. We had no refs, so a parent and myself were asked to officiate. I'd given A1 the ball for a throw-in, and my partner is whistling a time out for B. I stopped play and told my partner he couldn't grant a timeout, and restarted play.

Although, at the next dead ball, I did ask Coach B if he still wanted a timeout. He didn't.

[Jimgolf]

Freshman game this weekend, coach yells play, "Side out." Official says, "Full or 30?"