Whistle to end quarter?

[Nevadaref]

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
I blow the whistle every time (when I am responsible for this). I have never been involved in a big discussion about this one way or another. I believe most people I work with also blow the whistle.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Also when the quarter is over, I also wave my hands to signify the quarter, half or game is over.

An official who does these unnecessary and showy things gives the impression that he wants to make sure that everyone sees him. He wants to be the center of attention. It's indicative of having a big ego.
Also most people who engage in this are football officials who can't mentally separate the different sports.

My opinion about how to handle this properly was expressed by Scrapper and also appears in a recent thread on the NFHS forum.

http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...;f=11;t=001577

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

An official who does these unnecessary and showy things gives the impression that he wants to make sure that everyone sees him. He wants to be the center of attention. It's indicative of having a big ego.
Also most people who engage in this are football officials who can't mentally separate the different sports.

I blow at the end of every quarter. I also blow on incoming subs and all throw-ins from the end line in front court. But you're wrong. Very, very wrong. I have a little tiny "ego," practically microscopic, and my unnecessary and showy whistle blowing is my way of compensating. Kind of like driving a really fast car or a great big pickup truck. Or getting a law degree.

Like Grail I was taught to use a simple stop the clock signal, unless I'm actually waiving off a shot.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I blow at the end of every quarter. I also blow on incoming subs and all throw-ins from the end line in front court.

Why do you feel the need to employ NCAA womens mechanics in an NFHS game?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why do you feel the need to employ NCAA womens mechanics in an NFHS game?

It has a lot to do with that around here many of the summer officiating camps, including those put on by the UHSAA, are run by a former D1 women's official and current college assigner, and his second-in-command, so to speak, at these camps is a current women's official. When in Rome...

Oddly enough, this clinician is the same person who introduced me to the phrase, "The whistle is an irritant." He obviously finds no contradiction between that statement and requiring a whistle on all subs, etc.

In my experience, whistling in any of these situations (end of quarter, subs, end line throw-in) does not draw attention to the referee at all. It merely draws attention to the situation. And if somebody sometime looks to the referee to see what the whistle is about, what will he see the referee doing? Pretty much exactly what you'd expect the referee to do in that situation: brining in a sub, administering a throw-in, etc. Pretty showy, huh?

I can truthfully say that I've never had a partner, evaluator, coach, player, fan, AD, PA announcer, bookkeeper, trumpt player, grandmother in the third row, or hot dog vendor make any comment whatsoever about my having a whistle in one of these situations. So it can't be drawing too much undue attention.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

An official who does these unnecessary and showy things gives the impression that he wants to make sure that everyone sees him. He wants to be the center of attention. It's indicative of having a big ego.

Or, the person is following the standard in his / her area and to do otherwise would be drawing attention to himself.

Also most people who engage in this are football officials who can't mentally separate the different sports.

Support, please.

IOW:

1) It's not covered in the FED mechanics book

2) Reasonable people can disagree on what "should" be done.

3) Different areas have different "reasonable people" in charge

4) So, different areas do it differently.

5) You're entitled to your opinion.

6) As for the rest of it, KITFO.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

5) You're entitled to your opinion.

Evidently, I'm not allowed to express it though. If you deleted my last two responses, that bullsh!t.

Rut can sling insults at me and I can't respond?

The first post contained three serious questions for BITS, now deleting that one wasn't right at all.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Evidently, I'm not allowed to express it though. If you deleted my last two responses, that bullsh!t.

Rut can sling insults at me and I can't respond?

The first post contained three serious questions for BITS, now deleting that one wasn't right at all.

1) I also delete his posts when required.

2) If your post only contained the three questions, it wouldn't have been deleted.

[Nevadaref]

Well since you just went back and deleted his last post, I now have to consider it just, but when I wrote that you had only deleted mine. That upset me.

[Nevadaref]

3 questions for BITS:
1. Are the camps run by the D1 womens folks intended to be instructional HS camps or tryout camps for college?
2. Are you saying that due to the time you spent at these camps this summer your end line whistle for the HS season is now a habit?
3. If we apply your logic of 'the extraneous whistle doesn't matter because people just notice the official doing what he is supposed to be doing' to the following would you think it is okay too?
Every time the official arrives at the reporting area he sounds the whistle prior to speaking to the table. What do you think of that?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

3 questions for BITS:
1. Are the camps run by the D1 womens folks intended to be instructional HS camps or tryout camps for college?
2. Are you saying that due to the time you spent at these camps this summer your end line whistle for the HS season is now a habit?
3. If we apply your logic of 'the extraneous whistle doesn't matter because people just notice the official doing what he is supposed to be doing' to the following would you think it is okay too?
Every time the official arrives at the reporting area he sounds the whistle prior to speaking to the table. What do you think of that?

1. Some are one; some are the other. But you know how it goes. Every camp he puts on is a tryout camp in somebody's mind

2. Yes. It became habit pretty quickly. And I've found no reason to try and break these habits.

3. I'll try it and let you know how it goes.

[Jway44]

No whistle unless one is needed to signal basket or no basket. The horn ends the 1/4. Our association does not recognize a need to blow a whistle after the horn has already went off. As stated before, it only draws attention to the refs, and can cause confusion concerning whether there is a foul or not.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jway44

No whistle unless one is needed to signal basket or no basket. The horn stops ends the 1/4. Our association does not recognize a need to blow a whistle after the horn has already went off. As stated before, it only draws attention to the refs, and can cause confusion concerning whether there is a foul or not.

Thank you.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IOW:

1) It's not covered in the FED mechanics book

2) Reasonable people can disagree on what "should" be done.

3) Different areas have different "reasonable people" in charge

4) So, different areas do it differently.

5) You're entitled to your opinion.

6) As for the rest of it, KITFO.

You left out:

7) Who gives a sh!t anyway?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You left out:

7) Who gives a sh!t anyway?

I will take "Who gives a sh!t" for 1000 Alex.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You left out:

7) Who gives a sh!t anyway?

Cross-reference the thread about "jumping out of bounds" to make a pass.