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Old Wed Dec 05, 2007, 02:33pm
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Waving your hands is not one of the 38 official NFHS signals.

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I have been told at several clinics and association meetings that a whistle should sound at the end of every quarter, and that it should be accompanied by on open hand, just like a violation. The only exception would be to wave-off or count the basket, in which case the appropriate signal should go with the whistle.
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Old Wed Dec 05, 2007, 04:52pm
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Old Wed Dec 05, 2007, 06:30pm
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I blow the whistle every time (when I am responsible for this). I have never been involved in a big discussion about this one way or another. I believe most people I work with also blow the whistle.

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During our pregame, my partner and I go over who watches the clock at the end of the period, depending on the situation (where the ball is at etc). We also use a signal to remind each other who is doing what. Whoever has the clock, blows there whistle at the end of the quarter.
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Old Wed Dec 05, 2007, 08:21pm
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During our pregame, my partner and I go over who watches the clock at the end of the period, depending on the situation (where the ball is at etc). We also use a signal to remind each other who is doing what. Whoever has the clock, blows there whistle at the end of the quarter.
I thin the horn is so you don't have to watch the clock and you can watch the action on the court.
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Old Wed Dec 05, 2007, 08:32pm
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I blow the whistle every time (when I am responsible for this). I have never been involved in a big discussion about this one way or another. I believe most people I work with also blow the whistle.

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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 01:09am
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I blow the whistle every time (when I am responsible for this). I have never been involved in a big discussion about this one way or another. I believe most people I work with also blow the whistle.

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Also when the quarter is over, I also wave my hands to signify the quarter, half or game is over.
An official who does these unnecessary and showy things gives the impression that he wants to make sure that everyone sees him. He wants to be the center of attention. It's indicative of having a big ego.
Also most people who engage in this are football officials who can't mentally separate the different sports.

My opinion about how to handle this properly was expressed by Scrapper and also appears in a recent thread on the NFHS forum.

http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...;f=11;t=001577
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 01:31am
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Waving your hands is not one of the 38 official NFHS signals.

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An official who does these unnecessary and showy things gives the impression that he wants to make sure that everyone sees him. He wants to be the center of attention. It's indicative of having a big ego.
Also most people who engage in this are football officials who can't mentally separate the different sports.
I blow at the end of every quarter. I also blow on incoming subs and all throw-ins from the end line in front court. But you're wrong. Very, very wrong. I have a little tiny "ego," practically microscopic, and my unnecessary and showy whistle blowing is my way of compensating. Kind of like driving a really fast car or a great big pickup truck. Or getting a law degree.

Like Grail I was taught to use a simple stop the clock signal, unless I'm actually waiving off a shot.
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 01:49am
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I blow at the end of every quarter. I also blow on incoming subs and all throw-ins from the end line in front court.
Why do you feel the need to employ NCAA womens mechanics in an NFHS game?
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 02:38am
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Why do you feel the need to employ NCAA womens mechanics in an NFHS game?
It has a lot to do with that around here many of the summer officiating camps, including those put on by the UHSAA, are run by a former D1 women's official and current college assigner, and his second-in-command, so to speak, at these camps is a current women's official. When in Rome...

Oddly enough, this clinician is the same person who introduced me to the phrase, "The whistle is an irritant." He obviously finds no contradiction between that statement and requiring a whistle on all subs, etc.

In my experience, whistling in any of these situations (end of quarter, subs, end line throw-in) does not draw attention to the referee at all. It merely draws attention to the situation. And if somebody sometime looks to the referee to see what the whistle is about, what will he see the referee doing? Pretty much exactly what you'd expect the referee to do in that situation: brining in a sub, administering a throw-in, etc. Pretty showy, huh?

I can truthfully say that I've never had a partner, evaluator, coach, player, fan, AD, PA announcer, bookkeeper, trumpt player, grandmother in the third row, or hot dog vendor make any comment whatsoever about my having a whistle in one of these situations. So it can't be drawing too much undue attention.
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Old Thu Dec 06, 2007, 08:49am
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An official who does these unnecessary and showy things gives the impression that he wants to make sure that everyone sees him. He wants to be the center of attention. It's indicative of having a big ego.
Or, the person is following the standard in his / her area and to do otherwise would be drawing attention to himself.


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Also most people who engage in this are football officials who can't mentally separate the different sports.
Support, please.

IOW:

1) It's not covered in the FED mechanics book

2) Reasonable people can disagree on what "should" be done.

3) Different areas have different "reasonable people" in charge

4) So, different areas do it differently.

5) You're entitled to your opinion.

6) As for the rest of it, KITFO.
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