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refnrev Sun Dec 02, 2007 09:45pm

The answer is False. I still have the test. What's you're point?

Nevadaref Sun Dec 02, 2007 09:47pm

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Originally Posted by refnrev
The answer is False. I still have the test. What's you're point?

If you understand WHY it is false, then you grasp my point.

refnrev Sun Dec 02, 2007 09:49pm

Please do not tell me you are empahasizng the words "and referee."

Nevadaref Sun Dec 02, 2007 09:54pm

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Originally Posted by refnrev
Please do not tell me you are empahasizng the words "and referee."

It's not me, it's the NFHS as evidenced by the exam answer, but that is precisely right. For a varsity contest, not only do the opposing coaches have to agree to shorten the quarter, but so does the referee per the first sentence of 5-5-3. For nonvarsity games the permission of the referee is not required per the second sentence of 5-5-3.

refnrev Sun Dec 02, 2007 09:57pm

OK .. I was just assuming that it was understood... never mind, I won't assume anything.

Nevadaref Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:02pm

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Originally Posted by refnrev
OK .. I was just assuming that it was understood... never mind, I won't assume anything.

Yeah, I think that any referee who would not agree and allow the coaches the shortened quarter that they want would be nuts.

Did I say "nuts"? Hmmm...perhaps a squirrel will soon be making an appearance in this thread.:)

Scrapper1 Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:28am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
For a varsity contest, not only do the opposing coaches have to agree to shorten the quarter, but so does the referee per the first sentence of 5-5-3.

While this is true, it is irrelevant to the question in the original post. The original question was:

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The Referee tells the coaches that the quarter can't be shortened. Is the official correct?
The quarter can be shortened. It requires the referee's consent, but it can be shortened. The official in the question is incorrect.

Nevadaref Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:38am

Not so clear on that, Scrapper. Perhaps the official didn't wish to shorten it and simply told the coaches no. The OP did not post any reason. He didn't write, "The referee tells the coaches that the rules forbid him from allowing that." On the other hand it also doesn't say, "The referee tells the coaches that THEY can't shorten the quarter."

It can certainly be taken in a different manner just as the exam question that I posted. Some may believe that the answer to that question should be true and could make a good case for that.

bob jenkins Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:52am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
He didn't write, "The referee tells the coaches that the rules forbid him from allowing that."

I'd say the word "can't" means exactly that in this context.

Nevadaref Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:56am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
I'd say the word "can't" means exactly that in this context.

Maybe. Perhaps the OP will fill us in on what he was thinking when he wrote the scenario. There is a possibility that the OP didn't even realize that the referee must also consent. If he didn't, then he will learn something from this thread too. I don't know what he thought process was, but we might find out. ;)

tjones1 Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Not so clear on that, Scrapper. Perhaps the official didn't wish to shorten it and simply told the coaches no. The OP did not post any reason. He didn't write, "The referee tells the coaches that the rules forbid him from allowing that." On the other hand it also doesn't say, "The referee tells the coaches that THEY can't shorten the quarter."

It can certainly be taken in a different manner just as the exam question that I posted. Some may believe that the answer to that question should be true and could make a good case for that.

This is what the OP was saying.

The referee was saying that the rules don't allow the quarter to be shortened.

The answer was meant to be the official was incorrect. Upon the referee's agreement, by rule, a quarter may be shortened at any time as long as the two coaches and referee agree.

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Maybe. Perhaps the OP will fill us in on what he was thinking when he wrote the scenario. There is a possibility that the OP didn't even realize that the referee must also consent. If he didn't, then he will learn something from this thread too. I don't know what he thought process was, but we might find out. ;)

FTR, I knew. ;)

refnrev Mon Dec 03, 2007 05:15pm

TJ1,
See what I mean? Way too tight!:cool:

tjones1 Mon Dec 03, 2007 05:32pm

Yeah, well... only an hour and a half before I leave.


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