Most bizarre one that I've ever had

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Juulie, your instincts were correct on this one. By definition, simultaneous fouls are false double fouls, and Nevada's play was a good example of a false double foul which is not what I would consider a typical simultaneous foul.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. In the ancient days, if Team A was in the bonus due to the foul by B1 against A1 (the foul by the sideline) A1 would have shot his free throws with no one lined up on the free throw lane, and then the ball would have been put back into play by a jump ball in the center circle by any two opponents. Ah, those were the good old days.


P.S.S. Not only is this foul sequence a false double foul it is a false mutliple foul too.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

By definition, simultaneous fouls are false double fouls

A false double foul is when two opponents foul each other but not at the same time. A simultaneous foul is when two opponents commit fouls at the same time, but NOT against each other.

In other words, simultaneous fouls are nothing like false double fouls. I think you just mis-spoke here.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

By definition, simultaneous fouls are false double fouls,

By definition(4-19-10), simultaneous fouls are simultaneous fouls. Also by definition(4-19-9), false double fouls are false double fouls.

A horse is a horse, of course, of course......

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

By definition(4-19-10), simultaneous fouls are simultaneous fouls. Also by definition(4-19-9), false double fouls are false double fouls.

A horse is a horse, of course, of course......

JR:

Come on, you remember the Ancient Days. By definition and by casebook plays, simultaneous fouls have always been a false double fouls. The only think that changed a couple of years back is that the Rules Committees decided that the penalty for a simultaneous fouls would be the same as a double persona foul or a double technical foul.

MTD, Sr.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

JR:

Come on, you remember the Ancient Days. By definition and by casebook plays, simultaneous fouls have always been a false double fouls. The only think that changed a couple of years back is that the Rules Committees decided that the penalty for a simultaneous fouls would be the same as a double persona foul or a double technical foul.

Mark, please cite those definitions and case book plays then. Afaik, simultaneous fouls have never been regarded as false double fouls. Simultaneous fouls have been regarded as simultaneous fouls....period. That's why there are separate definitions for each in the rule book.

The fouls making up a false double foul follow one other. Simultaneous fouls occur....well....simultaneously.

Another example......by definition, simultaneous fouls can NOT be committed by opponents against each other; in false double fouls, you can have opponents committing fouls against each other.