Chair slamming/stomping

reddevil,

Bob Erickson was a pretty big guy, 6'5" and built like a LB with a little bit of a belly. He always picked up his chair, which always had his jacket on it about 1 or 2 minutes into the game. He would pick it up by the back and bring it up about a couple of feet in the air, then slam it back right in its spot. Really amazed me. He even took one and flung it across the indoor track in our field house and hit the wall with it (the basketball court was surrounded by a track with the bleachers on one side of the fieldhouse).

Now, the 2nd situation, with him being 6'5", he had no trouble standing and stomping on a chair with one foot. As for being reprimanded by his admin, no go because he was the Athletic Director and the college President was a frat brother. Coach never did the chair stomping/slamming on the road, only at home.

I guess the officials in the old NIAC (Nebraska Intercollegiate Athletic Conference, later Nebraska/Iowa Athletic Conference) let some of the behavior slide because Erickson was the "dean" of college basketball coaches in Nebraska at that time (he was at Doane before Joe Cipriano was even at Nebraska) and the fact that he was the AD also. Hard to tell, now that he's been retired for 10 years. I would have been curious as to how the GPAC (Great Plains Athletic Conference) officials would have handled him.

[reddevil19]

That guy sounds like he was quite a presence. At the college level, I would think that maybe a coach would get a bit more leeway, plus it sounds like this might be a "Doane being Doane" type thing. At the Frosh HS level, I wouldn't expect the same leeway and certainly don't think enough of myself to expect to get a "me being me" pass .

[JRutledge]

Once again it would depend. We would have to know why he did this, what happened in the game and if the coach was reacting like this before or had been warned. If you want an all or nothing call, then you are not going to get it from me at least. I have been officiating long enough to know that everything cannot be put into a little box and you always have the same solution. It is likely there would be a T, but where I am, what I see and maybe even my knowledge of the history of the coach might affect what I do or not do. I have been in situations where things are not what they seem and actions were handled based on those situations.

And for the record, people answered your question in the previous thread. You cannot dictate why and how people answer your questions. This was not a rules question; this was a judgment or philosophy question.

Peace

[rainmaker]

At the high school level, it would be a 95% automatic for me. Can't say what would happen for that 5% to be okay, but I'm sure there must be something. But unless there's a good explanation, I'm calling it. Just as an expression of anger it's not acceptable, even if it's anger against the team.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

At the high school level, it would be a 95% automatic for me. Can't say what would happen for that 5% to be okay, but I'm sure there must be something. But unless there's a good explanation, I'm calling it. Just as an expression of anger it's not acceptable, even if it's anger against the team.

You sure you're not a coach?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

At the high school level, it would be a 95% automatic for me. Can't say what would happen for that 5% to be okay, but I'm sure there must be something. But unless there's a good explanation, I'm calling it. Just as an expression of anger it's not acceptable, even if it's anger against the team.

I agree with this. His action is what needs to be judged as either acceptable of not and then appropriately penalized. I don't care why he did what he did, I only care that he did it.

I say whack away.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And for the record, people answered your question in the previous thread. You cannot dictate why and how people answer your questions. This was not a rules question; this was a judgment or philosophy question.

I wasn't dictating why and how. It was just that the time I looked at the other thread and decided to repost as a new thread, it seemed like my question got lost in the flurry. If you are implying I should have taken the answers about clipboard throwing and profanity and apply it to my question, then you are going off your point about there is no all or nothing. I'm not trying to be a d**khead, but your attitude is the kind that gets students in trouble with me during class and usually get assigned more homework. Maybe I should be making more posts similar to this and creating more "how abouts" just to have you give me the same remark?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

I wasn't dictating why and how. It was just that the time I looked at the other thread and decided to repost as a new thread, it seemed like my question got lost in the flurry. If you are implying I should have taken the answers about clipboard throwing and profanity and apply it to my question, then you are going off your point about there is no all or nothing. I'm not trying to be a d**khead, but your attitude is the kind that gets students in trouble with me during class and usually get assigned more homework. Maybe I should be making more posts similar to this and creating more "how abouts" just to have you give me the same remark?

Actually I was not implying anything. I said what I wanted to say. If you are not going to ask questions like this, you will get similar type of answers. I am not sure why that would be a problem to say that or why you would think I am upset by the question. Just pointing out that when you ask philosophy kinds of questions you should expect wide ranging answers. Also this is not a classroom. This is an internet site where even a very well asked question is going to bring different points of view.

Then again I was not the one that needed an answer to your question. I guess you will just have to feel slighted in some way.

Peace