Traveling Call confusion

[utahbee]

It seems that there is confusion from state to state and from ref to ref on this. Here goes ! When you stop your dribble with the ball and establish a pivot foot (lets say right). Can you then take an additional step off your left foot by lifting your pivot foot and either pass or shoot the ball before the pivot foot comes down?

I think that the only time you can lift the pivot foot off the ground is if you jump off it to pass or shoot.

The rulebook says that once you lift a pivot foot, as long as the the ball is released before the pivot foot returns to the floor, it is ok. That means to some that you can take a step on the other foot. It leaves it to interpretation which some refs call one way and others call it another.

I would like to know the truth as I think it is an unfair move to be able to take another step once a pivot foot is established.

Thanks

[jdw3018]

You may lift your pivot foot at any time without penalty. You can be standing on the other foot, or you can be jumping in the air. You can jump off your pivot foot onto your other foot. You can then jump off that foot, though you cannot pivot on it.

The only way this becomes illegal if if you either return your pivot foot to the ground while still in player control or begin a dribble after your pivot foot has left the ground.

[JRutledge]

I cannot speak for other refs, but anytime you establish a pivot foot, you can always lift that foot (or feet) to pass or shoot. You cannot lift the foot before you start a dribble.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

You're wrong. It's a violation to return the pivot foot to the floor while holding the ball, or to lift it before starting a dribble. It's not a violation to lift it before shooting or passing and the lift needn't be part of a jump. It's not a violation to lift the pivot foot and then just stand on the non-pivot foot while holding the ball.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

You may lift your pivot foot at any time without penalty. You can be standing on the other foot, or you can be jumping in the air. You can jump off your pivot foot onto your other foot. You can then jump off that foot, though you cannot pivot on it.

Incorrect. Once you "jump" it is a travel for either foot to touch the floor while still in player control. You can step to the other foot, even lift the pivot foot, but not jump.

Rule 4, Section 43

ART. 3 . . . After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
c. The pivot foot may not be lifted before the ball is released, to start a dribble.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Incorrect. Once you "jump" it is a travel for either foot to touch the floor while still in player control. You can step to the other foot, even lift the pivot foot, but not jump.

Hmmm...good call. This does make for an interesting situation though - the classic layup where the dribble is picked up w/ one foot on the ground (which makes it the pivot foot, obviously) and then a "step" with the other foot to jump into the layup. The problem is, when done at running speed, the pivot foot will be off the ground prior to the other foot coming down...

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Hmmm...good call. This does make for an interesting situation though - the classic layup where the dribble is picked up w/ one foot on the ground (which makes it the pivot foot, obviously) and then a "step" with the other foot to jump into the layup. The problem is, when done at running speed, the pivot foot will be off the ground prior to the other foot coming down...

Just because the pivot foot is off the ground prior to the other foot coming down, I don't think that necessarily means that you have a "jump"....could it be a "controlled fall"? I picture a situation when a player jumps off the pivot foot to attempt a shot, but afraid it is going to be blocked, just holds it and comes down on the non-pivot foot...obviously a travel....suppose there is a slight amount of judgement involved to determine what is a "jump", but it shouldn't be too difficult to tell in practice..

[Splute]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Hmmm...good call. This does make for an interesting situation though - the classic layup where the dribble is picked up w/ one foot on the ground (which makes it the pivot foot, obviously) and then a "step" with the other foot to jump into the layup. The problem is, when done at running speed, the pivot foot will be off the ground prior to the other foot coming down...

In your scenario you must know when the ball is "caught". In my experience it is still on the way up on the first step, thus the dribble hasnt ended, and the next foot touches creating a pivot foot at that time.