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refnrev Tue Nov 27, 2007 09:21pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1
Bob,

So you are saying your partner told you he had a TO and you told him to hold it until you reported the violation. Once you reported it, then your partner granted the timeout then asked you who called it?

Is that correct?

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tjones1 Tue Nov 27, 2007 09:30pm

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Originally Posted by refnrev
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You got it ...... Dude!:D

Ok, just making sure.

I'm going to be kind of in your neck of the woods tomorrow night - Edinburg.

Back In The Saddle Tue Nov 27, 2007 09:32pm

I agree with Nev's general principle here. Whenever I'm involved in a miscommunication (and whatever mess ensues because if it), I first want to know what I could have done differently to prevent the miscommunication.

There was a play in my first game of the year where I'm at T and my partner has a whistle on a drive to the hole. I hustle down to the baseline to start lining the players up for the free throws. Only my partner waves me off because what she actually called was traveling. But she's not very tall, was screened by a group of players who were fairly tall, and I only inferred a foul because "it must be; what else would it be?" Whoops.

Perhaps your partner here believed there was a TO call because...well, what else could it be?

Which does not explain the brain fart that came next with him reporting "your TO," especially after you made your report. :(

refnrev Tue Nov 27, 2007 09:39pm

I need to be clear. I'm not posting this to make anyone look bad, make me look real good, or with any malace. The guy and I have worked together before and will more than likely do so a few more times this year and in the future. It was just a goofy situation that happened... one you obviously don't see very often and hopefully that we can all learn from.

refnrev Tue Nov 27, 2007 09:41pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1
Ok, just making sure.

I'm going to be kind of in your neck of the woods tomorrow night - Edinburg.

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26 Year Gap Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:18pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Is that what's going on when my wife says, "no offense, but do you have to take the entire newspaper in there?" :p

Better than "Do you have to take the whole Sears Catalog in there?"

tjones1 Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:38pm

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Originally Posted by refnrev
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What have you got on a Wednesday night?

The end of their Turkey Tournament. I believe we've got the second game of the night at ~6pm.

Nevadaref Wed Nov 28, 2007 03:54am

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Originally Posted by refnrev
Tweet.
I signal the line violation, and say to players, "We have a boundary violation, blue."

#1 What specific signal did you use for this? Can you give a number from the NFHS signal chart?

#2 Think about your mechanic. It may not have been clear. If you feel that it was, then no problem. You've done your reflection about this situation, so keep doing as you do. If you aren't happy with it, then make a change.

#3 Have a nice discussion with your partner about why we don't relay or "piggy-back" time-outs. This was likely what led to his confusion on the play. Advise that each official only report the time-outs which have been requested to him. Take your own stuff to the table.




NOTE: This was my 6,000th post!

dblref Wed Nov 28, 2007 06:42am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
#1 What specific signal did you use for this? Can you give a number from the NFHS signal chart?

#2 Think about your mechanic. It may not have been clear. If you feel that it was, then no problem. You've done your reflection about this situation, so keep doing as you do. If you aren't happy with it, then make a change.

#3 Have a nice discussion with your partner about why we don't relay or "piggy-back" time-outs. This was likely what led to his confusion on the play. Advise that each official only report the time-outs which have been requested to him. Take your own stuff to the table.




NOTE: This was my 6,000th post!

Congratulations on your 6,000th post. Too bad only 137 of them were worth reading.:D :D

Nevadaref Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:55am

Note to self, contact Cardinal Basketball Officials Assn and @)#R&* about this guy! :D

just another ref Wed Nov 28, 2007 03:43pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
Better than "Do you have to take the whole Sears Catalog in there?"


Paper shortage in Oregon?

PYRef Wed Nov 28, 2007 03:45pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
#1 What specific signal did you use for this? Can you give a number from the NFHS signal chart?


#26

refnrev Wed Nov 28, 2007 06:46pm

PY ref would be right. #26.

Dan_ref Wed Nov 28, 2007 07:00pm

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Originally Posted by dblref
Congratulations on your 6,000th post. Too bad only 137 of them were worth reading.:D :D

That many?

Nevadaref Thu Nov 29, 2007 01:06am

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Originally Posted by refnrev
PY ref would be right. #26.

Not saying that I have the perfect solution to this, but I'm not sure that #26 is a great choice in this case. First, I'm not sure that it is proper as we must remember that this is the defense reaching over the boundary plane, not the offense leaving the spot and secondly this signal is not very visible.

Personally, I employ a non-standard mechanic in this case for clarity. (This is something that I do very rarely.) I give the "Tomahawk Chop." ;) It is very visible and has worked well for me.


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