Goofy situation
 

Had a goofy situation tonight. In pre-game I ask the timer if he knows the new rules on first horn. He doesn't. We go over them. Then, in 4th quarter, I have a warning on blue for a boundary violation on the throw-in. As I'm going over to report it both teams run to benches for a TO. My partner starts to tell the timer to start the clock for a TO. I tell my partner to hold reporting the TO until I finish reporting the warning. I go back to spot of the ball. Partner calls out to me, "Who called the TO?" I walk over and said, "I didn't give anyone a TO. I had a bounday violation warning." Seems the timer and partner thought it was a TO. Partner goes to the teams and says, "Get back on the court, we don't have a TO." Girls trot back on to the court. Watched my body language... I really did... but had to think to myself, what in the world just happened? How can you get a warning and a TO mixed up? And how can you stop a TO once you've told them they have one?

No offense, but whose responsibility was it to communicate exactly what was going on so there was no confusion?

That would be mine -- the guy who blew the whistle, signaled the violation, then went to the table to report it. I would say it that was pretty clear.

No offense, but is the air really thin way up there on your high horse? :confused:

My question for the original situation is why is your partner reporting a time-out that he thinks you granted? Might want to remind him that if you granted a time-out, you want to report it yourself. He's probably just trying to help, but that's just not his responsibility.

Good call Scrappy -- that was my point. With a clear bounday violation where did the TO come from and why was he reporting it? I'm writing last night off as a weird one and looking forward.

Just because you say, "no offense," doesn't make your post any less condescending and arrogant.

No offense.

Indeed, many people preface the most offensive tripe with the expression, apparently not understanding that some things can't be said (or written) without giving offense.

Is that what's going on when my wife says, "no offense, but do you have to take the entire newspaper in there?" :p

I heard a comedian use "I'm just sayin" that way. As if "I'm just sayin" makes the comment ok. "I'm not sayin' you're a disgusting fat slob, but you could lose 40 or 50 pounds. I'm just sayin'."

Once again, you assume he did something wrong. Should he, after blowing the whistle, list everything he's NOT blowing the whistle for??? Sounds like he did everything right but the players and partner were not paying attention. Perhaps it was time when a timeout was expected. The partner may be to blame for assuming a timeout was called, but not the OP.

Exactly. I mean, good example.

I'm just sayin. ;)

I don't know what his mechanic was. Perhaps he pointed to the team bench that was to receive the warning and that was misleading. Until the OP responds I can't say. If this happened to me, I would definitely wonder if I did something to make the teams think that I had granted a TO.

In other words before being upset with my partner, the table crew, or the teams, I would take a hard look in the mirror. "Not that there's anything wrong with that." ;)

Let's review it again.
White has ball to inbound at the baseline.
I have my left hand in the air and am counting with right arm. Whistle is in my mouth.
Blue reaches through the line and commits voundary violation as white tries to throw the ball in. NO - she did not make contact for an intentional foul.
Tweet.
I signal the line violation, and say to players, "We have a boundary violation, blue."
Walk towards the table to reporting area.
Tell my partner who is starting to report a TO to hold the TO until the violation is reported.
Report the violation by saying, "We have bounday violation; blue; first warning."
Go back to baseline with ball.
Partner then reports a TO. Then he asks me, who called the time out?
I think that covers the mechanics I used.

Bob,

So you are saying your partner told you he had a TO and you told him to hold it until you reported the violation. Once you reported it, then your partner granted the timeout then asked you who called it?

Is that correct?

How do you report a timeout if you don't know who requested it?

I'm just sayin', it sounds like it may be some misinterpretation by the partner.

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You got it ...... Dude!:D

Ok, just making sure.

I'm going to be kind of in your neck of the woods tomorrow night - Edinburg.

I agree with Nev's general principle here. Whenever I'm involved in a miscommunication (and whatever mess ensues because if it), I first want to know what I could have done differently to prevent the miscommunication.

There was a play in my first game of the year where I'm at T and my partner has a whistle on a drive to the hole. I hustle down to the baseline to start lining the players up for the free throws. Only my partner waves me off because what she actually called was traveling. But she's not very tall, was screened by a group of players who were fairly tall, and I only inferred a foul because "it must be; what else would it be?" Whoops.

Perhaps your partner here believed there was a TO call because...well, what else could it be?

Which does not explain the brain fart that came next with him reporting "your TO," especially after you made your report. :(

I need to be clear. I'm not posting this to make anyone look bad, make me look real good, or with any malace. The guy and I have worked together before and will more than likely do so a few more times this year and in the future. It was just a goofy situation that happened... one you obviously don't see very often and hopefully that we can all learn from.

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What have you got on a Wednesday night?

Better than "Do you have to take the whole Sears Catalog in there?"

The end of their Turkey Tournament. I believe we've got the second game of the night at ~6pm.

#1 What specific signal did you use for this? Can you give a number from the NFHS signal chart?

#2 Think about your mechanic. It may not have been clear. If you feel that it was, then no problem. You've done your reflection about this situation, so keep doing as you do. If you aren't happy with it, then make a change.

#3 Have a nice discussion with your partner about why we don't relay or "piggy-back" time-outs. This was likely what led to his confusion on the play. Advise that each official only report the time-outs which have been requested to him. Take your own stuff to the table.




NOTE: This was my 6,000th post!

Congratulations on your 6,000th post. Too bad only 137 of them were worth reading.:D :D

Note to self, contact Cardinal Basketball Officials Assn and @)#R&* about this guy! :D

Paper shortage in Oregon?

#26

PY ref would be right. #26.

That many?

Not saying that I have the perfect solution to this, but I'm not sure that #26 is a great choice in this case. First, I'm not sure that it is proper as we must remember that this is the defense reaching over the boundary plane, not the offense leaving the spot and secondly this signal is not very visible.

Personally, I employ a non-standard mechanic in this case for clarity. (This is something that I do very rarely.) I give the "Tomahawk Chop." ;) It is very visible and has worked well for me.

I was feeling charitable.:p

But this just perpetuates the myths about tomahawks in basketball. How can you sleep at night? :eek: