College Ruling Please

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not that it matters with two Ts, but wouldn't you shoot the direct T on the coach first and then resume with POI, which is the free throws for the intentional T?

Why would you do this rather than order of occcurence? You are right, in effect you end up in the same place...

While we are on the subject of NCAA technical fouls, does anyone have an easy way of remembering which T's are shot by the "offended player" and which ones anyone can shoot? Being new to college with a whopping 3 games under my belt, it is a lot to try to memorize...thanks!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Why would you do this rather than order of occcurence? You are right, in effect you end up in the same place...

My understanding is you either do POI or "order of occurance," not both. In effect, doing it your way would be a hybrid of POI and OOC.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My understanding is you either do POI or "order of occurance," not both. In effect, doing it your way would be a hybrid of POI and OOC.

But i am referring to POI only as the method of putting the ball back in play whereas order of occurence would be the order in which you would administer the penalties..aren't they two seperate issues? Isn't the POI on the direct T (which came second) ball at division line since that was the result of the intentional T (which came first)? My understanding on POI was that it is whatever it is at the time when the foul occurs...in this case POI at the time of the direct T was you shooting the intentional T and giving B the ball at division line...unless I am totally missing this...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by kbilla

But i am referring to POI only as the method of putting the ball back in play whereas order of occurence would be the order in which you would administer the penalties..aren't they two seperate issues? Isn't the POI on the direct T (which came second) ball at division line since that was the result of the intentional T (which came first)? My understanding on POI was that it is whatever it is at the time when the foul occurs...in this case POI at the time of the direct T was you shooting the intentional T and giving B the ball at division line...unless I am totally missing this...

You are correct.

Peace

[Adam]

Maybe where i'm getting hung up is I thought with a direct T, you administer it right away and then go to POI, which is the free throws or throwin.

With a personal foul followed by a direct T, you shoot the T first and then the personal foul free throws.

Again, I realize this is nit picking since it really doesn't matter with the T which you shoot first.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe where i'm getting hung up is I thought with a direct T, you administer it right away and then go to POI, which is the free throws or throwin.

With a personal foul followed by a direct T, you shoot the T first and then the personal foul free throws.

Again, I realize this is nit picking since it really doesn't matter with the T which you shoot first.

But does it matter as to who is allowed to attempt the FT's on the offended team? This gets back to my question a few posts ago...If you look in the foul/penalty chart at the back of the NCAA rules/interps, some T's the penalty is "Two free throws" and some are "Two free throws to any member of the offended team"...maybe I am reading too much in to this, but is this meant to infer that on a direct T, since it doesn't say "...to any member of the offended team", that the offended player must attempt? Further to that, who the heck is the "offended player" when a coach curses the official?

[JRutledge]

In NCAA ball, the same shooter must shoot both FTs (8-2-3). And all Ts are still two shoots. You are thinking the NBA.

Peace

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

In NCAA ball, the same shooter must shoot both FTs (8-2-3). And all Ts are still two shoots. You are thinking the NBA.

Peace

But can any player of the offended team shoot the free throws (both of a pair)? This is where this table at the back of the rules/interps throws me off, they make it sound like with certain types of T's, a certain player must attempt....could just be some bad editing...I have assumed that any player on the offended team could shoot them, just wanted to be sure...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

In NCAA ball, the same shooter must shoot both FTs (8-2-3). And all Ts are still two shoots. You are thinking the NBA.

Peace

I was hoping no one would read that post. As soon as I posted it, I realized my error (that I was thinking NBA). I deleted it, but you're just to quick on the draw, Jeff.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Why would you do this rather than order of occcurence? You are right, in effect you end up in the same place...

While we are on the subject of NCAA technical fouls, does anyone have an easy way of remembering which T's are shot by the "offended player" and which ones anyone can shoot? Being new to college with a whopping 3 games under my belt, it is a lot to try to memorize...thanks!

8-2 provides some pretty good guidance -- and it's not that hard to remember.