Delay of game ?

[Chess Ref]

Fed rules. Visitors are on a little run to get back into game. They score again off a nice little pass and ensuing lay up. Kid who made the lay up has the ball drop in his lap and does the primal scream , slamming the ball down trick . Ball bounces almost to the roof. I come up with a delay of game warning. In hindsight any opinions on whether I should have or could have gone directly to a unsporting T ?

[Vinski]

Unsporting T

[SmokeEater]

I agree Unsporting T. Slam the ball hard enough to almost reach the roof and were shooting 2.

[tjones1]

Sounds like a taunt to me. I think I have a T here.

[Vinski]

To expand on this, would it be appropriate to also have a delay-of-game warning recorded (if one hasn’t already been issued) as well as giving the T?
I ask because my understanding is that if a defender reaches through the OOB vertical plane and smacks the ball out of the hands of the thrower-in during a throw-in that we give a T and record the delay as well (if one hasn’t already been given). So would we do the same type of thing here also?

[Bad Zebra]

Seems like the unsporting T is a singular event and is penalized as such. My gut tells me to not issue the delay warning for this event. That being said, seems like every time I go with my gut on these situations, it ends up being wrong...and that's why I keep coming back...to learn all that I don't know yet.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Seems like the unsporting T is a singular event and is penalized as such. My gut tells me to not issue the delay warning for this event. That being said, seems like every time I go with my gut on these situations, it ends up being wrong...and that's why I keep coming back...to learn all that I don't know yet.

Grabbing the ball: delay warning.

Bouncing it to the ceiling: Unsporting T.

Penalize them both.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Vinski

To expand on this, would it be appropriate to also have a delay-of-game warning recorded (if one hasn’t already been issued) as well as giving the T?
I ask because my understanding is that if a defender reaches through the OOB vertical plane and smacks the ball out of the hands of the thrower-in during a throw-in that we give a T and record the delay as well (if one hasn’t already been given). So would we do the same type of thing here also?

That is not my understanding of the violation of the inbound plane, I thought they are two different situations. Player reaches through and touches the ball, automatic T....but after that if a player just reached through I would record a warning, not go straight to the T.....

So in the example I would just hit them with the T...

Soooo who's right??

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Vinski

To expand on this, would it be appropriate to also have a delay-of-game warning recorded (if one hasn’t already been issued) as well as giving the T?

Yes, if you gave the "T" for delaying the game instead of unsporting behavior. Rationale is in case book play 9.2.10. If the "T" was for unsporting behavior, there's no rules backing to give a warning along with the "T".

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes, if you gave the "T" for delaying the game instead of unsporting behavior. Rationale is in case book play 9.2.10. If the "T" was for unsporting behavior, there's no rules backing to give a warning along with the "T".

So you may or may not have a delay depending on what your reasoning is for giving the T? In this case though, since you wouldn't normally go right to a T for delaying the game by catching the ball, do you really have a case for saying that the T was for delaying? Seems the better route to give the T for unsporting, no?

Is this the 2008 case book? 9.2.10 applies to the last second tactic?