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JugglingReferee Wed Nov 07, 2007 09:57am
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Originally Posted by SamIAm
I don't know why you ask or how it could effect the query, but here it goes:
I was born November 5th, 1963, at Susan B. Allen hospital in El Dorado, KS (Butler County). Dr. James Barber was the attending physian. {snip} <SNIP>We have 2 children, now 12 and 7 and live in a comfy, ranch style house with a fire place.
Best post of both threads. :rolleyes:

Scrapper1 Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:01am
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Originally Posted by Sam, as edited by JugglingReferee
Dr. James Barber was the attending physian. {snip} We have 2 children, now 12 and 7 and live in a comfy, ranch style house with a fire place.
I'm sure Sam and the doctor are very happy together.

rockchalk jhawk Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:14am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Aren't there any other current Kansas officials here who can verify one way or the other?
The general consensus pounded into our heads every year at the annual rules meeting is this: coaches may stand up to coach (within the confines of their "box"), but once they are through with their "coaching" they must go back to their seat. Coaching in the state of Kansas (we have been instructed) does not include quietly standing, kneeling, or pacing about within or outside of the box.

That being said, the general practice when addressing the coaching box in the state of Kansas is "You don't bother me or biatch about my officiating and you can do headstands all day long in your box and I won't bother you."

Is it a little overbearing? Probably, but in past experience it is a great tool to use when coaches start to become a little too testy and have decided to stand in their box right on the sideline and snark at officials as they run up and down the court.

Jurassic Referee Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:57am
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Originally Posted by SamIAm
I don't know why you ask or how it could effect the query, but here it goes:
I was born November 5th, 1963, at Susan B. Allen hospital in El Dorado, KS (Butler County). Dr. James Barber was the attending physian. I was the fourth child, but the third surviving child as my mothers first child was still-born. I understand it was a blustery day. I lived in and around Augusta, KS until I was 5 years old. Our family then established a permanent residence 3 miles west of Augusta. I attended Garfield elementary in KG and 1st grade, then switched to Robinson elementary through 6th grade. I was fairly athletic and saw varsity action as a sophmore in basketball and football as an Augusta Oriole. I excelled in track where I competed in the 110m and 330m hurdling events. I finished 6th at the state track meet in 110m HH my junior year, then 3rd in the 330m hurdles my senior year, both at the 5a level. I was involved in a motorcycling accident the summer after highschool and never got tocompete in college athletics. I graduated from Emporia State in 1986. Moved to the Dallas area in 1987. Met an Irving, Texas girl in 1988 and married her in 1990. We have 2 children, now 12 and 7 and live in a comfy, ranch style house with a fire place.

I don't think you really gave us your history.
LOL........way to go, Sam.

Jurassic Referee Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:05am
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Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk
The general consensus pounded into our heads every year at the annual rules meeting is this: coaches may stand up to coach (within the confines of their "box"), but once they are through with their "coaching" they must go back to their seat. Coaching in the state of Kansas (we have been instructed) does not include quietly standing, kneeling, or pacing about within or outside of the box.

That being said, the general practice when addressing the coaching box in the state of Kansas is "You don't bother me or biatch about my officiating and you can do headstands all day long in your box and I won't bother you."

Is it a little overbearing? Probably, but in past experience it is a great tool to use when coaches start to become a little too testy and have decided to stand in their box right on the sideline and snark at officials as they run up and down the court.
Thanks for the info, without the nonsense attached to it by the previous banned poster.

If that's the directive from the state, it has to be followed. In real life, if sounds like you're actually calling the box like most other states anyway. We all basically have the same tool available to us anyway. There's no provision anywhere in the rules that will allow any coach at any time to question calls or b!tch at us. It's simply up to each individual official as to what they want to put up with. Mileage certainly varies.

Thanks again. We can put that one to bed now(hopefully).

SamIAm Wed Nov 07, 2007 01:38pm
I don't remember writing a personal bio before. It was kind of amusing doing it off the top of my head. It may be a way to find out what is and was really important to an individual. Re-reading it an hour later, I remembered a few things I might include if I did it again. All in all, a nice opportunity to reminisce.

Scrapper1 Wed Nov 07, 2007 01:44pm
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
The poster has been banned, so he's not likely to respond.
I just looked at the other thread and KSref07 is listed as a Registered User, not "In Time Out". So maybe he's been allowed back in. Who knows if he'll actually come back or not.

PYRef Wed Nov 07, 2007 01:52pm
Scrapper, KSRef07 isn't even on the Members List anymore.
Maybe it just shows that way in the old posts?

Scrapper1 Wed Nov 07, 2007 02:16pm
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Originally Posted by PYRef
Scrapper, KSRef07 isn't even on the Members List anymore.
Maybe it just shows that way in the old posts?
I didn't check the members list. I'm sure you're right.

Adam Wed Nov 07, 2007 02:24pm
Wow, from timeout to banned in one swoop? That's unusual. Wonder if Francine emailed Brad directly?

KSRef07 Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:14am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Wow, from timeout to banned in one swoop? That's unusual. Wonder if Francine emailed Brad directly?
Not banned. JR and a few others that said "he's not in the member list" are wrong as usual. Just found better things to do than post 6.4 times a day since 2002 like JR. Most of you guys were nice, but the few folks that got personal and close-minded made it not enjoyable. The nit-picking of errors, pouncing on generalizations as if they were scientific statements, etc., the attempt to silence those in disagreement by telling them not to tell "us" what to post (which is telling me what I should post), just got to be too much. Life is too short. Officiating is more about application of the rules than the wording of the rules and this is a concept JR and a few others fail to realize. In application there comes individual judgment - not black and white.

I see Francine has not replied but another ref confirmed. Good to see JR still had to take a potshot at me rather than Man-up and apologize.

BTW, my 300 games a year of which 60% are varsity level - my bad - I did not mean they were interscholastic V games - just V level.

This is my last time visiting. For all the good guys, thanks for the positive private messages. For all the newbies, beware of the answers you get. For the record,
#24 = False
#34 = True
#36 = False

Adios

Jurassic Referee Wed Nov 14, 2007 07:02am
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Originally Posted by KSRef07
This is my last time visiting.
On behalf of basketball officials everywhere, I thank you.

DonInKansas Wed Nov 14, 2007 07:12am
Wow....lots of hubbub about Kansas.

Makes me queasy about expanding into basketball this year.:p

*Goes back to bury head in rulebook, praying I'm ready by my first game.*

Bad Zebra Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:40am
Well this evolved into a surprisingly entertaining thread.

rockchalk jhawk Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:08am
That's why Kansas is here... to entertain the rest of the nation with our coaching box directives and evolution standards and such. :rolleyes:


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