When to stop closely guarded count?

[jackson35]

I have a rookie question that when I have asked at meetings, everyone seems to not be able to give a definitive answer. You have a closely guarded situation at the top of the key. You start the 5 count with your left hand. They start their dribble and are still closely guarded for a 4 count, then make a move to the basket while still closely guarded. Do you blow the whistle at 5 while they are moving toward the basket, or do you stop the count as they are making a "move" to the basket?

[Nevadaref]

Your question is very clearly answered by the new rules book.
The count is terminated if the dribbler gets his head and shoulders past the defender. (4-10)

I should add that if this doesn't happen before the five seconds are up, then a closely guarded violation has occurred.

[BillyMac]

From Jackson35: "Do you stop the count as they are making a "move" to the basket?"

Many, many years ago, the dribbler earned a new count when he or she made a "move" past the 28 foot hashmark, but that was when we were having several jump balls in a game, players only got two points for a half court shot, and players along the lane line rebounded when the ball hit the rim, or was it on the release? I think that we've reversed ourselves a few times on the last reference.

[jer166]

There is still a lot of confusion on this by veteran officials. The count continues until the dribbler gets his head and shoulders past the defender. A lot of officials still release the count if the dribbler makes a move on the basket. However, the rule is pretty clear when to end the count.

[Coltdoggs]

As others have said...it's head and shoulders past the D....

The rule before seemed to favor the O if all they had to do was make a move toward the basket...If the D is still on them, that count continues...

[Y2Koach]

Regarding closely guarded...

the distance from the freethrow line to the top of the key is 4'9", correct?

and closely guarded count starts when the front foot of the ball handler and the front foot of the defender are within 6', correct?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

From Jackson35: Many, many years ago, the dribbler earned a new count when he or she made a "move" past the 28 foot hashmark, but that was when we were having several jump balls in a game, players only got two points for a half court shot, and players along the lane line rebounded when the ball hit the rim, or was it on the release? I think that we've reversed ourselves a few times on the last reference.

Ah, the days when the front court had a mid-court area and a fore-court area. Oh how I miss the good old days.

MTD, Sr.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The count is terminated if the dribbler gets his head and shoulders past the defender. (4-10)

I don't know about you guys, but if I see a player carrying his shampoo on the court, it's a T.

OK - I'll admit that was my lamest post in a long time.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I don't know about you guys, but if I see a player carrying his shampoo on the court, it's a T.

OK - I'll admit that was my lamest post in a long time.

c'mon, give yourself some credit - you're typically much lamer than this.

[Y2Koach]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The count is terminated if the dribbler gets his head and shoulders past the defender.

You couldve gone more lamerer by saying "a nobleman bringing his shampoo on the court should be a violation but killing him seems a little extreme"...

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

You couldve gone more lamerer

More lamerer?????

You must have gone to public school.