another off the wall study guide question

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

A1 receives a pass standing still with both feet on the floor. He places the ball on the floor and releases it simultaneously with both hands. (WHY???)

He then picks the ball up and starts a dribble. Ruling: Legal play.

uh.....true?........maybe......weird.....definitel y

In my opinion, the first action meets the definition of a dribble once the ball is released. If after picking the ball up the player dribbles again, I would penalize for an illegal (double) dribble violation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In my opinion, the first action meets the definition of a dribble once the ball is released. If after picking the ball up the player dribbles again, I would penalize for an illegal (double) dribble violation.

And you would be incorrect.

This is not a dribble, not a fumble, and not a pass. It's NOTHING.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And you would be incorrect.

This is not a dribble, not a fumble, and not a pass. It's NOTHING.

Is that merely your opinion or do you have something authoritative to back up your statement?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In my opinion, the first action meets the definition of a dribble once the ball is released.

If holding the ball and touching it to the floor is not a dribble (and we all know it's not), why would holding the ball and touching it to the floor and releasing the ball be a dribble?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If holding the ball and touching it to the floor is not a dribble (and we all know it's not), why would holding the ball and touching it to the floor and releasing the ball be a dribble?

It seems to me that when a player who is holding the ball purposely releases it that action has to either a pass, a dribble, or a try for goal. What else could it be?

Remember we have an NFHS interp that says that a "pass" which hits the floor and then is retreived by the original player constitutes a dribble.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It seems to me that when a player who is holding the ball purposes releases it that action has to either a pass, a dribble, or a try for goal. What else could it be?

Remember we have an NFHS interp that says that a "pass" which hits the floor and then is retreived by the original player constitutes a dribble.

If a player jumps, realizes he has no shot, no open pass, then, while still in the air, releases the ball, which falls to the floor, and he does not touch it again, what do we have? Nothing. Now I realize the two situations are different. But is a precedent for a "nothing" answer to this question.

[Nevadaref]

That is either a dribble or a pass. I'd go with that's a pass. (Yes, I know that the definition says "to another player." I predict that this ball will go to another player. )

Since you state that the player doesn't touch the ball again, this would likely not be deemed a dribble.

4.44.3 SITUATION A: A1 jumps to try for goal. B1 also jumps and: (a) slaps the ball out of A1's hands; (b) touches the ball but does not prevent A1 from releasing the ball; (c) touches the ball and A1 returns to the floor holding the ball; or (d) touches the ball and A1 drops it to the floor and touches it first after it bounces. RULING: In (a) and (b), the ball remains live. In (c), a traveling violation. In (d), a violation for starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor. Since the touching did not prevent the pass or try in (b), (c) and (d), the ball remains live and subsequent action is covered by rules which apply to the situation.

[Back In The Saddle]

Yes, in this case it is a dribble. But only because he was the first to touch it. In my scenario, it's not a dribble. It's not a pass. He has simply abandoned the ball. It's nothing.

And in the case of sitting the ball down...

What if the player places the ball on the floor, and simply walks away. Is that a pass? A dribble? A try? No. What if a teammate subsequently picks it up? Does that in any way turn the placing of the ball on the floor into a dribble? A pass? A try? I'm going say no. Given that, I'm finding it difficult to accept that we must deem this a dribble. As long as he doesn't move his feet, I've got nothing.

[Nevadaref]

How do you know it's not a pass?