Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, and that's exactly why I e-mailed KSHSAA.

Originally Posted by mbyron

OK, would that be a local or long-distance e-mail? :confused:

Originally Posted by Splute

Blatant disregard of a rule by the player (dunking) and caught up in the moment of coaching (out of box 6"), play out differently in my mind.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup. And <b>we're</b> questioning <b>your</b> judgment in <b>not</b> calling obvious dunks in a warmup. The consensus to date seems to be that your <b>JUDGMENT</b> is wrong.

Is that clear enough now?

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

So the coach getting "caught up" is a good reason to totally disregard a rule?

I have no dog in this fight, but it has become stupid. If the pre-game dunk is obvious to everyone in the gym, including the opposing coach, you have no choice but to call it. But if it's a borderline dunk (he's up over the rim and dinks it in or he just gets a little of the rim while trying to look cool), and you can get to the kid to say, "Hey, don't make me make a decision on that", that's even better.

The coaching box is exactly the same. If the coach is 10' onto the floor and screaming at you, you have to T him up. But if he's 6 inches out of the box and coaching, and you can quietly say, "Coach, help me out and find your box", that's even better.

I know KSref said he "never sees" a pre-game dunk; but let's give him a little benefit of the doubt, for pete's sake. You think he's going to ignore a rim-shaking dunk when the opposing coach is staring at him and pointing at the basket? I don't. So why are we trying to beat each other up over something that happens once every other season? :confused:

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Oh, I see. I'll look up "blatant" in the rules book. :rolleyes:

The fellow asked if I ignore fouls. I said yes - good judgement requires that sometimes. He stated ignoring fouls does not relate to judgement. A blanket statement. I simply posed a scenario in which ignoring DOES equal judgement.

The reality is, a stupid dunk before a game gives no team an advantage - the rule is there to protect the equipment. It is minor. You address it by telling them not to dunk. The same goes with being 6 inches outside the box. Ok, what if he's 2 feet outside the box - is that "blatant disregard"? No.

Judgement.

Originally Posted by KSRef07

When I was a varsity coach, if you were at my varsity boys game and you called a T on my player with no warning and started the game that way, my AD and I would make sure you NEVER reffed another one of my games again.

Clear enough? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I will say this again - ignoring any of those situations is NOT judgement. How you choose to deal with them is where the judgement comes in...telling a coach "Hey, I really need you to stay in your box for me" is dealing with it and using judgement - ignoring the coach is not...walking over to the coach during pre-game and telling him "Coach, #45 is going to get you a T if he dunks again" is dealing with it and showing judgement - ignoring it is not.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Wow...and if I was an official in that area and had a Varsity coach and school AD that whined when a rule was enforced the way it was written, I would make sure I NEVER worked one of their games again - that way I wouldn't have to deal with that ignorance.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I will say this again - ignoring any of those situations is NOT judgement. How you choose to deal with them is where the judgement comes in...telling a coach "Hey, I really need you to stay in your box for me" is dealing with it and using judgement - ignoring the coach is not...walking over to the coach during pre-game and telling him "Coach, #45 is going to get you a T if he dunks again" is dealing with it and showing judgement - ignoring it is not.

Originally Posted by KSRef07

And I expect an apology when you get her answer.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Hyperbole is my middle name. If you ever deleted all of my posts containing "hyperbole", I'd probably have about 12 to date.

Hyperbole is my life.

Well, that and Twinkies....... :eek:

Originally Posted by KSRef07

... The same goes with being 6 inches outside the box. Ok, what if he's 2 feet outside the box - is that "blatant disregard"? No.

Judgement.

Originally Posted by KSRef07

Oh, I see. I'll look up "blatant" in the rules book. :rolleyes:

The fellow asked if I ignore fouls. I said yes - good judgement requires that sometimes. He stated ignoring fouls does not relate to judgement. A blanket statement. I simply posed a scenario in which ignoring DOES equal judgement.

The reality is, a stupid dunk before a game gives no team an advantage - the rule is there to protect the equipment. It is minor. You address it by telling them not to dunk. The same goes with being 6 inches outside the box. Ok, what if he's 2 feet outside the box - is that "blatant disregard"? No.

Judgement.

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

There once was a man named Bill Knerberly