Blatant disregard of a rule by the player (dunking) and caught up in the moment of coaching (out of box 6"), play out differently in my mind.

Yup. And <b>we're</b> questioning <b>your</b> judgment in <b>not</b> calling obvious dunks in a warmup. The consensus to date seems to be that your <b>JUDGMENT</b> is wrong.

Is that clear enough now?

When it comes time to "put up or shut up", looks to me like KSref has put up. Either call the number or quit hashing this stupid subject. This is no longer being "discussed" by anyone; it's just people trying to swing a 2x4 at somebody else.

So the coach getting "caught up" is a good reason to totally disregard a rule?

I have no dog in this fight, but it has become stupid. If the pre-game dunk is obvious to everyone in the gym, including the opposing coach, you have no choice but to call it. But if it's a borderline dunk (he's up over the rim and dinks it in or he just gets a little of the rim while trying to look cool), and you can get to the kid to say, "Hey, don't make me make a decision on that", that's even better.

The coaching box is exactly the same. If the coach is 10' onto the floor and screaming at you, you have to T him up. But if he's 6 inches out of the box and coaching, and you can quietly say, "Coach, help me out and find your box", that's even better.

I know KSref said he "never sees" a pre-game dunk; but let's give him a little benefit of the doubt, for pete's sake. You think he's going to ignore a rim-shaking dunk when the opposing coach is staring at him and pointing at the basket? I don't. So why are we trying to beat each other up over something that happens once every other season? :confused:

Naw, instead of that I just e-mailed KSHSAA and asked them if basketball coaches were <b>not</b> allowed to stand quietly within their coaching box and watch play. I explained that according to one of their officials, coaches must sit down immediately if they weren't talking, and that their "talking" also had to do with coaching and nothing else. I further explained that the penalty claimed was a technical foul. I asked further about a head coach not being able to kneel, squat, etc. or do anything else but stand within their box, and failure to do so would be a technical foul also.

It's easier that way. I can then just cut and paste the response that I'm given.

Vindication might be nigh. Or......

Well said.....

Shut up.

I do. And I do because that's exactly what he's told us he's going to do.

What part of <b>"NEVER"</b> don't you understand, Scrappy? There is <b>NO</b> benefit of the doubt involved with <b>"NEVER"</b>. It's as definitive as you could possibly get. He's already stated that he's <b>NEVER</b> going to call a dunk. Whether it's rim-shaking or not simply isn't relevant.

Yup, and that's exactly why I e-mailed KSHSAA.

Oh yeah? What about "never, ever"? You're just not using enough significant digits.

And just in the interest of full disclosure, are you saying you've never used hyperbole to make a point? No, "never, ever", I'm sure. :p

I would hope not. Also, I'd like to see him ignore a pre-game dunk that rips the backboard off the post. That would be cool. :)

Hyperbole is my middle name. If you ever deleted all of my posts containing "hyperbole", I'd probably have about 12 to date.

Hyperbole is my life.

Well, that and Twinkies....... :eek:

Scrapper, you know me and you know that what you wrote is exactly the way I would handle those situations...but where in your post do you say anything about IGNORING that "little" dunk or "NOT SEEING" it??? You (and I) would address those things and take care of them - whether it's the coach 6" out of the box or the "little" dunk - we do NOT ignore them - the way we address them is judgement. Ignoring them is not. And as my buddy Forrest would say, "That's all I have to say about that."

Fine, let me add something to the statement. While no one else has come to corroborate, no one from Kansas has refuted it, either. I really don't care one way or the other, just thought it was interesting.
Fair enough. I've misread my share of posts as well.
Really, you thought that's what I meant? I don't buy it.
Here's what I meant:
We disagree with the Kansas interpretation. We don't really dispute that it's the KS interp, we just disagree with the logic behind it. You agree with the logic behind it, therefore, we disagree with you.
If you want to just state the KS interp, fine, but if you're going to defend it be prepared to actually get disagreement. And since, as far as we can tell, KS is the only state that defines "coaching" so narrowly, be prepared for nearly unanimous disagreement.

It's called understanding the intent and purpose of the rule....more than just the letter.

No pregame dunking is truly no pregame dunking. There is no reason to accidently dunk and no legitamate reason to need to dunk on purpose in pregame to properly warm up.