Can't we all just get along?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

Your partner should've addressed the situation somehow, and you should have made it clear to your partner during the pregame what the past history was to anticipate the problem and discuss possible solutions. In my game, I probably would have run the guy or had game management ready to get him outta there to avoid direct confrontation.

He knew the situation, just did not know all the details. I filled him in at halftime. I actually liked the way he handled the situation. He might as well have put a rubber stamp on the guy's forehead which said: THIS PERSON NOT WORTHY OF OUR ATTENTION

My question to you JAR, is why do you keep taking games involving this team? With all these posts it seems like a personal feud. I understand the thought process of not wanting an idiot to win in a situation like this, but what do you gain by continuing to work this guy's games?

It is mainly the principle of the thing not the money. But money is also a factor when I missed several entire tournaments within a few miles of my home just because of something that never really happened in the first place.

[Dan_ref]

I would have had security toss him out of the gym. I'm at a loss to understand why you put up with this.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I would have had security toss him out of the gym. I'm at a loss to understand why you put up with this.

Only pick battles that you have a chance to win. Around here it would be hard to have one principal kick another principal out of the gym unless he threw a brick or something. At the most they might take him aside and "talk to him to calm him down." This is a little man on a power trip flaunting his authority. If I do tell game management that he should be removed and they don't do it, things would be even worse.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Only pick battles that you have a chance to win.

History is full of battles (real and otherwise) that would never have been fought & won if this philosophy was adhered to. (That's my polite way of saying bullsh1t to that.)

Around here it would be hard to have one principal kick another principal out of the gym unless he threw a brick or something. At the most they might take him aside and "talk to him to calm him down." This is a little man on a power trip flaunting his authority. If I do tell game management that he should be removed and they don't do it, this would be even worse.

"Either he goes or we go."
"Well we can't make him leave."
"Then we'll leave."

Seems simple to me.

(yeah yeah I know then the kids suffer...but IMO they've already suffered because you let this jerk treat you like sh1t. At least now they know actions have consequences.)

Originally Posted by just another ref

Only pick battles that you have a chance to win. Around here it would be hard to have one principal kick another principal out of the gym unless he threw a brick or something. At the most they might take him aside and "talk to him to calm him down." This is a little man on a power trip flaunting his authority. If I do tell game management that he should be removed and they don't do it, things would be even worse.

Be careful about asking the "home" principal to kick out the "visiting" principal. You could be opening a Pandora's Box if you do so. I heard of one incident where that happened (and I can't reveal the details because it almost jeopardized an assigning contract), and the state activities association and the state principals/administration association had to step in. I guess what ended up happening was both teams forfeited the game (a double forfeit), the officials were told they could not officiate for either school for a certain amount of time, AND both principals lost their board/committee assignments in the principals' association. If you think the nastiness AFTER the game was bad, from what I heard, the nastiness in the gym when it happened was even worse. The officials ended up having to eject a few players and a couple coaches because they decided what happened off the court was going to spill onto the court. Nothing good comes of it when you ask a principal to remove a visiting administrator.

[Jurassic Referee]

Simple as hell........

If you do want to do something about it, you have 2 options;
1) Quit taking abuse from the principal. The FED case book outlines quite thoroughly the procedure to follow. The principal is a "spectator" and you treat him as such. If you have a problem with him, you get game(home) management to tell him to cut his crap out, If he refuses, have game management put him out of the gym. Stop the game until he leaves. If he refuses to leave, suspend the game and write a report to the league/assignor on it. If no one in the gym identifies themselves as home management, then it's up to the head coach of the home team to assume that role. If he doesn't want to, same thing.....suspend the game and write her up. In this case, because you've had previous problems, alert your assignor as to what you'll be doing if you run into problems.
2) Tell your assignor not to assign you to any more games involving that principal's school, and also refuse any assignments given to you involving that school.

If you don't want to do something about it, then quit complaining about it and just go officiate.

No doubt that advice won't help you either.

[Adam]

and if you do #1, you'll get one of two responses:
1. the principal will eventually get the point and stop going to games.
2. #2 above will happen.

[rockyroad]

Try this advice on for size: write a letter to the school board and the superintendent of the district informing them of the slander that their principal is engaging in. It would be better yet if you had a lawyer friend who would do the letter for you...inform the board and the superintendent that if the slander continues you will be forced to pursue legal action against the principal involved AND the district employing him...that will get their attention and he will be told to knock it off.

Or you could just keep ignoring him and hope he goes away...

[BktBallRef]

If you intend to ignore it, if it doesn't bother you, then why do you keep posting about it?

[Rich]

And why do you sound so defensive when we tell you how to handle this differently?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

And why do you sound so defensive when we tell you how to handle this differently?

I didn't realize that I sounded defensive. I do appreciate the suggestions, but I simply have not heard one that I thought would help. My understanding is that in the state of Louisiana, the LHSAA has nothing to do with jr. high sports. I know that jr. highs can and do use whomever they want as basketball officials. So there would be no one to report this guy to except the superintendent of schools. I inquired here locally about doing exactly that and was told by more than one person who should know, in a nutshell, "Do that if you want to, but nothing will come of it."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

If you intend to ignore it, if it doesn't bother you, then why do you keep posting about it?

I just find it to be a very interesting story. I thought others might also.

[SMEngmann]

Originally Posted by just another ref

He knew the situation, just did not know all the details. I filled him in at halftime. I actually liked the way he handled the situation. He might as well have put a rubber stamp on the guy's forehead which said: THIS PERSON NOT WORTHY OF OUR ATTENTION

I understand the approach, but I still don't agree with it. This guy is in a position of authority, he's not just a regular fan, and he's using that authority to create a hostile environment that could have many negative ramifications on a Jr. high school game. I don't think he can be ignored. Plus he attacked your integrity and threatened you, your partner should have game management dump him, or use JR's approach, but it has to be addressed because it sets the tone for the game.

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is mainly the principle of the thing not the money. But money is also a factor when I missed several entire tournaments within a few miles of my home just because of something that never really happened in the first place.

If you're missing tournaments and this is costing you other games, you really need to talk to your assignor and find out what's going on. It's one thing to be badmouthed, it's another not to be backed up by the assignor to the point where a feud with one coach is hurting other parts of your schedule. I don't know the situation, but if the problem is costing you other assignments, there might be other things at play that you need to know but aren't aware of.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

If you're missing tournaments and this is costing you other games

If this was me, I'd have the guy up on Judge Judy's show in no time.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

If this was me, I'd have the guy up on Judge Judy's show in no time.

Whew!! That would be worth watching...