Least called call

[Mark Dexter]

I, too, have called BI on a free throw. Unfortunately, I passed on the technical that should have gone with it.

I would have to say that the "normal" violation/foul (i.e., no multiple fouls ) that I call least often is a 3-second violation.

[Back In The Saddle]

I've never called fisting. I've never called a simultaneous foul. Never had BI on a free throw.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I've never called fisting.

By "fisting", I assume you mean a violation for hitting the ball with your fist. BTW - I have absolutely no idea what this poster means.

[Old School]

After reading up the definition of a multiple foul, I once called it. Player driving in for a layup was foul at the top of the key, his momentum took him in for a layup, which another player came across and hampered him again shooting the layup. I probably should have made it a false multiple foul or a false double foul, all hell, I don't know to be technically correct. However, the coach didn't like my call and we almost came to blows. Since I knew him from my playing days, the argument was more about the call then it was personal. The call cause so much comotion that I'm hestiant to use it again.

In fact, I did use it again and it encountered the same reaction. After about 10 minutes getting everybody settle back down, we got back to play. So I have decided to screw the multiple foul, that 2nd foul on the same player will be a technical foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

In fact, I did use it again and it encountered the same reaction. After about 10 minutes getting everybody settle back down, we got back to play. So I have decided to screw the multiple foul, that 2nd foul on the same player will be a technical foul.

Not only will this get an even bigger reaction (that seems to be what you're worried about here), it's the wrong call and can't be made with rules backing. If the 2nd foul is one that needs to be called, it's simply another personal shooting foul.
I'm almost afraid to ask, but how did you administer it when you did call the simultaneous foul?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not only will this get an even bigger reaction (that seems to be what you're worried about here), it's the wrong call and can't be made with rules backing.

Excuse me! How was it the wrong call?

If the 2nd foul is one that needs to be called, it's simply another personal shooting foul.

Incorrect, as usual from you. If the 2nd foul needs to be called, it's a dead ball foul, a dead ball foul is a technical, or i could say it was apart of the original move and make it a multiple foul.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but how did you administer it when you did call the simultaneous foul?

By the rules.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Excuse me! How was it the wrong call?

Incorrect, as usual from you. If the 2nd foul needs to be called, it's a dead ball foul, a dead ball foul is a technical, or i could say it was apart of the original move and make it a multiple foul.

By the rules.

By the rules?

Not freaking likely. You've never owned a rule book in your life.

The rules, both NFHS and NCAA, say that multiple fouls can ONLY be personal fouls, NOT technical fouls.

As usual, you're guessing, and also as usual, you're guessing wrong.

[26 Year Gap]

Hampered him? Did his uniform need washing?

[refnrev]

BI on the free throw ... or BI in general. Never called either. I officiate mostly smaller schools and have never seen it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Old School

... another player came across and hampered him ...

He put him in with the dirty laundry!

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by Old School

Player driving in for a layup was foul at the top of the key, his momentum took him in for a layup, which another player came across and hampered him again shooting the layup.

Who was the player...Michael Jordan? LeBron? Dr J? That's a lot of momentum (about 20 feet worth) for a rec leaguer (rec is all you call, right?)...from the top of the key all the way in for a layup??? Did you blow your whistle at the moment of the original foul (i.e., at the "top of the key")? If so, how did the player continue on for a "hampered" layup? His jumps must have the approximate thrust of a jet engine? Wish this was on You Tube.....

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

Who was the player...Michael Jordan? LeBron? Dr J? That's a lot of momentum (about 20 feet worth) for a rec leaguer (rec is all you call, right?)...from the top of the key all the way in for a layup??? Did you blow your whistle at the moment of the original foul (i.e., at the "top of the key")? If so, how did the player continue on for a "hampered" layup? His jumps must have the approximate thrust of a jet engine? Wish this was on You Tube.....

Let's table our imagination here. The player was fouled at the top of the key, my partenr called it, foul was on the floor, on the drive. The player continued to dribble towards the basket after the foul call, maybe he didn't hear the whistle but he wasn't going to be denied on this move. He then went up to shoot a layup and was clobbered, hammered to the floor. I felt the 2nd foul was too hard, unnecessary and I'm calling it. Originally, I thought multiple foul becasue the fouls where so close together in time. In the future, as i have stated, it will be a dead ball foul which is a technical, I don't care what JR says.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Let's table our imagination here. The player was fouled at the top of the key, my partenr called it, foul was on the floor, on the drive. The player continued to dribble towards the basket after the foul call, maybe he didn't hear the whistle but he wasn't going to be denied on this move. He then went up to shoot a layup and was clobbered, hammered to the floor. I felt the 2nd foul was too hard, unnecessary and I'm calling it. Originally, I thought multiple foul becasue the fouls where so close together in time. In the future, as i have stated, it will be a dead ball foul which is a technical, I don't care what JR says.

You should table your imagination. Now the story changes. Before, the player's "momentum" took him in for a layup. Now, he "dribbled" in for a layup.

Don't matter anyway. In your original post, you said you called a multiple foul. My point was that the play couldn't be a multiple foul by rule no matter what scenario you try to dream up now...or then. Yes, you can call an intentional technical foul in the play you described above, but that would be a different type of foul than a multiple foul.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You should table your imagination. Now the story changes. Before, the player's "momentum" took him in for a layup. Now, he "dribbled" in for a layup.

Don't matter anyway. In your original post, you said you called a multiple foul. My point was that the play couldn't be a multiple foul by rule no matter what scenario you try to dream up now...or then. Yes, you can call an intentional technical foul in the play you described above, but that would be a different type of foul than a multiple foul.

And he is no longer 'hampered'.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You should table your imagination. Now the story changes. Before, the player's "momentum" took him in for a layup. Now, he "dribbled" in for a layup.

No, as usual you jump to conclusions in an overly adolescent attempt to try and make me wrong. In my scenario there was two situations. Both where just about the same. I had a player going in for a layup who was fouled out top, the players momentum was going towards the basket and he just kept going after the whistle, then he got hammered at the basket shooting the layup. Both fouls at the basket where harder then the fouls up top.

Don't matter anyway. In your original post, you said you called a multiple foul. My point was that the play couldn't be a multiple foul by rule no matter what scenario you try to dream up now...or then. Yes, you can call an intentional technical foul in the play you described above, but that would be a different type of foul than a multiple foul.

The rule says at approximately the same time. So I guess you want to have a big arguement about the definition of approximately? I'm not going there, just tell you that this is what I reason at the time, and as I also told both coaches, I'm giving you the better of the deal. I could have called a technical on the 2nd foul which would have given the player multiple foul shots and the ball back. This way, posession changes after we shoot the free throws. It's just two of your players is going to get charged with a foul here. Coach didn't like it and said it was ridiculous. I told the coach, we got a simple remedy here, tell your players to quite fouling so damn much, that way, I don't have to blow my whistle, I got no call to make, simple, plus there was no need to foul that player that hard the 2nd time.

JR, I'm sure that I did something wrong by your standards here. Fact of the matter is, when players start knocking other players to the floor after the whistle, I'm going to call something.