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If you can find a rule anywhere that states it's illegal to end a dribble by bouncing it with both hands, cite it. It's legal to bounce the ball with both hands both at the start <b>AND</b> the end of a dribble. Bouncing the ball with both hands legally ends a dribble, as per NFHHS rule 4-15-4(c). It's illegal to be the first player to touch the ball again after it's been bounced with both hands, as per NFHS rule 9-5. Your linguistic gobblydegook sureashell is no help at all in trying to help newer officials understand the rule. :rolleyes: |
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So if the ball is coming up on a dribble bounce and the player touches both hands to the ball, the dribble ends at that point. If the result of that touching with both hands is that the ball returns to the floor, then you have an illegal dribble (unless it's a fumble). Conclusion: it is not legal to bounce the ball with both hands at the end of a dribble. |
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The act of touching the ball with both hands ends a dribble but that act by itself is not illegal. There are no restrictions as to <b>how</b> you touch the ball with both hands. If you think differently, then cite a rule. |
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Guys - I took JRs post about bouncing the ball with both hands at the end of a dribble to imply you could dribble with both hands again for your "final" dribble, not that you could start a bounce pass. That was what I was addressing as being wrong. As I stated in my follow-up, obviously you can start a bounce pass with both hands after you have picked up your dribble.
I hope that's clear now. |
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I know exactly what you were reading into it, Mark---the exact same thing that Nevada was trying to suggest. According to NFHS rule 4-15-1, one of the ways that you can start a dribble is by bouncing it to the floor with both hands. Unfortunately, to call it the way that you and Nevada are suggesting, you have to assume that <b>ALL</b> 2-handed bounces to the floor are the start of a dribble. Well, that's just not true. You can have a bounce pass, fumble, bounce the ball hard and then run past it, leaving it for a trailer to pick up, etc. If you call immediate violations on those as soon as the dribbler pushes the ball to the floor, you will look like an idiot if it does turn out to be a bounce pass. You will also have no rules backing to make that call. To decide which is which, you have to wait until you see the result of the 2-handed bounce. If the player doing so does not touch the ball again, I don't know how anyone can say with certainty that it is a second illegal dribble. I also can't think of any definitive rule that states that it is a violation either. To call the play properly, all I'm saying is that you have to wait and see what happens <b>after</b> the ball is 2-handedly bounced. |
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What you are calling bouncing the ball with both hands "at the end" of a dribble truly takes place "AFTER" the end of the dribble. Hopefully, that will clear this up for all those newer officials. :p |
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If your nonsense was true, a dribbler couldn't throw a bounce pass without violating. Stoopid monkey...... |
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When he head fakes his guy and puts the ball on the floor to start his move, is this not an immediate violation? It was not a fumble. He is the only one on his team on this whole side of the floor, so it is not a pass. So by definition 4-15-4 would this not be a violation when he "pushes the ball to the floor once" whether he subsequently touches it or not? |
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