you make the call

[FrankHtown]

It could be argued LGP was established near mid court. The defender had 2 feet on the floor and was facing the opponent. The ball handler never got head and shoulders past the defender, and the defender maintained a lateral movement. It could be argued the ball handler initiated the contact by going into the defender.

What a mess the whole thing was. The trail should have taken the play all the way in. He had the better angle than the lead, and the lead was, at best, guessing.

One they cleared the lane for the free throws, that told everybody that there was no time on the clock. One successful free throw and the game should have been over. Why did the referees delay after the successful free throw?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

One they cleared the lane for the free throws, that told everybody that there was no time on the clock. One successful free throw and the game should have been over. Why did the referees delay after the successful free throw?

From reading the description, a technical foul was called.

I didn't have the patience to watch all 5 minutes. But, if there's no T, then the game is over at the first shot (assuming they're not going to fix the clock).

[Old School]

To be honest, after the first viewing I said the game is over. After going thru the lengthly discussion with Snaqs on putting time back on the clock, and just plain good clock management. .3 seconds should be put back on the clock here. This is a great educational video to show that you must get the time on a last second play. All 3 officials are responsible. If you didn't get it. The Fed. rule says the game is over and they let the crew off the hook. But that decision, that ruling in fact, does a disservice to the opposing team and the game. I understand why the Fed. says the game is over, thanks to Snaqs, it makes sense now. However, as a crew these guys missed it and you guys missed it and i missed it. We got work to do here! From now on, I'm going to make sure in a last second situation, I get the clock the second that whistles blows.

This is a great video, very pertinent to the topic under discussion, thanks for sharing.

[JRutledge]

I do not blame the officials for knowing exactly what should or should not be on the clock. That is a very hard thing to see by the calling official (unless there was another clock located in his field of vision and that is not likely). It is possible that the official opposite table or the Trail official might have gotten a better look. If the rules considered lag time, I would say without a doubt the game is over after the FTs. Now with the new rule, if you have knowledge they could put time on the clock. The problem is I do not think they had any knowledge of the clock status. I can tell by the official's body language that they were confused as to what to do. Someone has to know the rule about the game ending. It is possible that there might have been other factors in shooting the FTs. It is not clear if this was a regular season or playoff game (at least to me). That could have been the only reason they shot FTs but I do not know that for sure.

Peace

[budjones05]

Would you call a T on the team for celebrating a close game??? After time as expired??? Not to mention, that if any official didn't know how much time to be put back up on the clock, then it has to be game over. After the foul shots, then the game has to be over.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by budjones05

Would you call a T on the team for celebrating a close game??? After time as expired??? Not to mention, that if any official didn't know how much time to be put back up on the clock, then it has to be game over. After the foul shots, then the game has to be over.

Hell no you do not give a T, unless you don't want to be an official anymore. Because they lined up with nobody on the line, that meant they concluded no time was left and therefore the game is over. I have no idea what they are discussing. They are probably caught in the correctable error logic in that, they probably should have had the teams line-up because there should be timed left on the clock, not to mention, giving a T in this situation, oh my, this could be very bad for them. I say game over, go home! Thanks to Snaqs, I now have definite knowledge that neither of us knew the status of the clock which means the game is over. I actually like that rule.

[btaylor64]

Why oh why wasn't the lead into position to referee that play, which I believe from tape, he called the play incorrectly. But forget that, he did call a foul, now why did the slot or the Trail not have the time?

[rainmaker]

Even so, if they'd decided that the time was all gone, and the one ft meant the game was over, shouldn't they just have gotten the heck out of dodge? Why are they all standing around? And then shouldn't they have given another ft? As someone else said, what a mess.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not blame the officials for knowing exactly what should or should not be on the clock. That is a very hard thing to see by the calling official (unless there was another clock located in his field of vision and that is not likely). It is possible that the official opposite table or the Trail official might have gotten a better look.

Agree completely. That's why I said "if" they saw any time on the clock, they should put it back up. But if you don't see it -- and as you said, it's very hard for the calling official to see it -- then you can't put any time up.

If the rules considered lag time, I would say without a doubt the game is over after the FTs.

Agree completely.

Now with the new rule, if you have knowledge they could put time on the clock. The problem is I do not think they had any knowledge of the clock status.

Agree completely.

[Vinski]

Originally Posted by FrankHtown

It could be argued LGP was established near mid court. The defender had 2 feet on the floor and was facing the opponent. The ball handler never got head and shoulders past the defender, and the defender maintained a lateral movement. It could be argued the ball handler initiated the contact by going into the defender.

So, a no call would be the better call? Coming from the trail.

[FrankHtown]

I'm not going there. But compare the Trail's view of the play to the Lead's view, and decide who had the better angle.