Rule Question

[TRef21]

After a big block by A1,While the ball is dead since it went out of bounds, A1 receives a flagrant non contact technical foul for abusive language towards B2. While going to the table to report, b6 on the bench says something to the official and a technical foul is assessed to him.

How are the FT's administered, how is the ball put back into play. Is it point of interruption or is it at a designated spot at the division line because of the non contact flagrant foul? Is the bench technical indirect to the head coach or since the official had knowledge of who committed the act is it direct? Let's see if you can answer it... )

[rainmaker]

It's pretty simple, really. Penalize fouls in the order they occurred. B shoots A1's technical. then A shoots for B6's T. Since B6 is bench personnel, there is an indirect T on head coach, regardless of whether you have direct knowledge of who said it.. Play resumes with A receviing the ball at the midcourt line, because that's part of the last foul committed. Now that wasn't so bad, was it?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It's pretty simple, really. Penalize fouls in the order they occurred. B shoots A1's technical. then A shoots for B6's T. Since B6 is bench personnel, there is an indirect T on head coach, regardless of whether you have direct knowledge of who said it.. Play resumes with A receviing the ball at the midcourt line, because that's part of the last foul committed. Now that wasn't so bad, was it?

For coaching box purposes, the coach has to now sit the rest of the game as well. Everything else Juulie said is right on.

Peace

[TRef21]

now is the college rule the same? Sorry I should have noted that

[JRutledge]

No the college rule is not the same. I am not even sure that Men's and Women's is the same as to how this would be handled.

Flagrant Technical (dead ball) is enforced just like a HS technical. The ball would be placed at the division line given to the offended team after 2 FTs. A bench technical or "Bench Restriction Technical" is enforced by putting the ball in play at the point of interruption. So in this case you would have the ball given at the division line with Team A in possession after 4 FTs.

So if everything was the same and A6 got a bench technical (instead of B2), then the ball would go back to Team A after each team shot 2 FTs.

Peace

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No the college rule is not the same. I am not even sure that Men's and Women's is the same as to how this would be handled.

Flagrant Technical (dead ball) is enforced just like a HS technical. The ball would be placed at the division line given to the offended team after 2 FTs. A bench technical or "Bench Restriction Technical" is enforced by putting the ball in play at the point of interruption. So in this case you would have the ball given at the division line with Team A in possession after 4 FTs.

In the original situation, wouldn't this be reversed? The flagrant T was on A1, so B will get the division line throw-in.

Women's NCAA here is same as men's.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No the college rule is not the same. I am not even sure that Men's and Women's is the same as to how this would be handled.

Flagrant Technical (dead ball) is enforced just like a HS technical. The ball would be placed at the division line given to the offended team after 2 FTs. A bench technical or "Bench Restriction Technical" is enforced by putting the ball in play at the point of interruption. So in this case you would have the ball given at the division line with Team A in possession after 4 FTs.

So if everything was the same and A6 got a bench technical (instead of B2), then the ball would go back to Team A after each team shot 2 FTs.

Peace

Wait a minute ole Rut boy. Me thinks you got this wrong. After the flagrant, team B is now in possession, technical on team B, team A shoots FT's but team B gets the ball at the division line. POI sir, you pointed that out but gave the ball to the wrong team.

Have fun taking that apart.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No the college rule is not the same.

One other thing about NCAA is that there is no "seatbelt" rule. He/she may still use the coaching box after the indirect T is assessed to him/her.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Since B6 is bench personnel, there is an indirect T on head coach, regardless of whether you have direct knowledge of who said it.

Care to clarify this, Juulie? In NFHS, in order to have an indirect technical on the coach, you have to have a direct technical assessed to someone else.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Care to clarify this, Juulie? In NFHS, in order to have an indirect technical on the coach, you have to have a direct technical assessed to someone else.

That someone could be the "bench". So it doesn't have to be any one player in particular. I could not know who said what, but if I hear "you're a piece of sh&% ref" from the bench with my back turned, I'm whacking the bench and letting the coach know that he just lost his coaching box priviliges.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

That someone could be the "bench". So it doesn't have to be any one player in particular. I could not know who said what, but if I hear "you're a piece of sh&% ref" from the bench with my back turned, I'm whacking the bench and letting the coach know that he just lost his coaching box priviliges.

That's fine (as long as you go along with the T-ing the "bench" is okay philosophy). I just wanted to point out the fact that someone (or someones) must get a direct T before the HC can get an indirect T.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It's pretty simple, really. Penalize fouls in the order they occurred. B shoots A1's technical. then A shoots for B6's T. Since B6 is bench personnel, there is an indirect T on head coach, regardless of whether you have direct knowledge of who said it.. Play resumes with A receviing the ball at the midcourt line, because that's part of the last foul committed. Now that wasn't so bad, was it?

You missed something.

FTs are administered in the order in which the fouls occurred.

B shoots 2 FTs, A shoots 2 FTs and A gets the ball at the division line for a throw-in.

The HC loses coaching box privileges.

A1 is disqualified.

It makes no difference what type of technical foul it is, with regard to where the throw-in is.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You missed something.

FTs are administered in the order in which the fouls occurred.

B shoots 2 FTs, A shoots 2 FTs and A gets the ball at the division line for a throw-in.

The HC loses coaching box privileges.

A1 is disqualified.

It makes no difference what type of technical foul it is, with regard to where the throw-in is.

Thanks. I didn't spell it out in as much detail as I might have.