U call it

B1 fouls A1 in the act of shooting & they both fall down really hard. They both jump up pushing each other & bumping chests, as they are separated B5 & A5 start their own pushing & chest bumping match.
No punches thrown, but all acts were T worthy for sure.
When the smoke clears, how should this be handled HS rules?

[Adam]

Double Ts on each. No free throws for the techs. Go to POI.

So it's NOT a false double type of T as in 4-19-9? And even if it was, it's the same procedure right?
All 4 players get 1 added to their player foul count & each team has 2 added to reach the bonus?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

So it's NOT a false double type of T as in 4-19-9? And even if it was, it's the same procedure right?
All 4 players get 1 added to their player foul count & each team has 2 added to reach the bonus?

If you want, you could call it multiple double technical fouls. You've got a double tech on A1 and B1. Then a seperate double tech on A5 and B5. Penalize each double tech as if it were the only one.
And yes to your final question. Did you have this in your summer ball?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you want, you could call it multiple double technical fouls. You've got a double tech on A1 and B1. Then a seperate double tech on A5 and B5. Penalize each double tech as if it were the only one.
And yes to your final question. Did you have this in your summer ball?

So when does a false double foul occur? I could've swore multiple fouls had something to do with 2 teammates committing personals on the same opponent at the same time?

No just a little debate we had at the gym last night. 6 officials on 2 courts with forfiets at the same time...

[Adam]

B1 fouls A1 during play. You call the foul, and right after your whistle, A1 retaliates by shoving B1. You've got a personal foul on B1 and a tech on A1.

False double.

[Indianaref]

ART. 8 . . . Double fouls:

a. A double personal foul is a situation in which two opponents commit personal fouls against each other at approximately the same time.
b. A double technical foul is a situation in which two opponents commit technical fouls against each other at approximately the same time.

ART. 9 . . . A false double foul is a situation in which there are fouls by both teams, the second of which occurs before the clock is started following the first, and such that at least one of the attributes of a double foul is absent.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I could've swore multiple fouls had something to do with 2 teammates committing personals on the same opponent at the same time?

This is correct, but I changed your underlining because you never had this happen in your scenario. Yes, you had teammates commit fouls, but the fouls were not against the same player.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

So when does a false double foul occur? I could've swore multiple fouls had something to do with 2 teammates committing personals on the same opponent at the same time?

No just a little debate we had at the gym last night. 6 officials on 2 courts with forfiets at the same time...

...and a simple double technical/double technical is all you could come up with? Tyros....

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you want, you could call it multiple double technical fouls. You've got a double tech on A1 and B1. Then a seperate double tech on A5 and B5. Penalize each double tech as if it were the only one.
And yes to your final question. Did you have this in your summer ball?

You have two double fouls and two false doubles.

Double : A1 - B1
Double : A5 - B5
False Double: A1 - B5
False Double: A5 - B1

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You have two double fouls and two false doubles.

Double : A1 - B1
Double : A5 - B5
False Double: A1 - B5
False Double: A5 - B1

Disagree. You only have one false double foul made up of two separate double technical fouls, one following t'other.

[Hartsy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Double Ts on each. No free throws. Go to POI.

Yeah, that's how I see it. Maybe I eject all 4, too. Then it would get very interesting.

[Mark Dexter]

Aside from the shooting foul, we have two separate double technical fouls. I suppose you could call it a false double technical, but that's probably overthinking it.

Personal foul charged to B1.

Technical fouls charged to A1, B1, A5 and B5. Players are DQ'ed if this is either their second technical foul or their fifth total foul. (Remember - if B1's personal foul was his fifth, his technical is NOT charged indirectly to the coach, as no notification has occurred.)

B will have 3 fouls added to its team total, A will have 2 added.

A1 (or substitute, if DQ'ed) will shoot 2 (or 1 if the shot was good. You did remember to see if the shot was good, right? ) with the lane spaces filled as normal.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

B1 fouls A1 in the act of shooting & they both fall down really hard. They both jump up pushing each other & bumping chests, as they are separated B5 & A5 start their own pushing & chest bumping match.
No punches thrown, but all acts were T worthy for sure.
When the smoke clears, how should this be handled HS rules?

When does somebody's action constitute a fight? When they start swinging? If A1 pushes or chest bumps B1 across the floor, B1 comes back and does the same are we keeping one or both in the game? Okay if we don't think any of these actions was enough to say it was fighting, if B6 & B7 take a step on the floor and we see them because they think it's a fight are we penalizing them for entering the court during a fight or in this case non-fight?? I guess I had to be there, BUT... if the push or the chest bump was enough for me to think this was a fight or could become one, ESPECIALLY if I think any one of these 4 players can add more Sh*% to my game, they'll probably get the towel. Unless I can find something in the rulebook that specifically defines what "fighting" is.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

Unless I can find something in the rulebook that specifically defines what "fighting" is.

NFHS 4-18