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Scrapper1 Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by Ch1town
I'm just trying to figure out what type of technical foul occured in that senario...
Two separate double fouls.

rainmaker Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by Ch1town
So when does a false double foul occur? I could've swore multiple fouls had something to do with 2 teammates committing personals on the same opponent at the same time?

No just a little debate we had at the gym last night. 6 officials on 2 courts with forfiets at the same time...
...and a simple double technical/double technical is all you could come up with? Tyros....

Scrapper1 Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:20pm
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Tyros....
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Mark Dexter Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:29pm
Aside from the shooting foul, we have two separate double technical fouls. I suppose you could call it a false double technical, but that's probably overthinking it.

Personal foul charged to B1.

Technical fouls charged to A1, B1, A5 and B5. Players are DQ'ed if this is either their second technical foul or their fifth total foul. (Remember - if B1's personal foul was his fifth, his technical is NOT charged indirectly to the coach, as no notification has occurred.)

B will have 3 fouls added to its team total, A will have 2 added.

A1 (or substitute, if DQ'ed) will shoot 2 (or 1 if the shot was good. You did remember to see if the shot was good, right? :D ) with the lane spaces filled as normal.

bob jenkins Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:34pm
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Tyros....

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It means "beginners." I thought you would have known a short word like that one.

JoeTheRef Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:50pm
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B1 fouls A1 in the act of shooting & they both fall down really hard. They both jump up pushing each other & bumping chests, as they are separated B5 & A5 start their own pushing & chest bumping match.
No punches thrown, but all acts were T worthy for sure.
When the smoke clears, how should this be handled HS rules?
When does somebody's action constitute a fight? When they start swinging? If A1 pushes or chest bumps B1 across the floor, B1 comes back and does the same are we keeping one or both in the game? Okay if we don't think any of these actions was enough to say it was fighting, if B6 & B7 take a step on the floor and we see them because they think it's a fight are we penalizing them for entering the court during a fight or in this case non-fight?? I guess I had to be there, BUT... if the push or the chest bump was enough for me to think this was a fight or could become one, ESPECIALLY if I think any one of these 4 players can add more Sh*% to my game, they'll probably get the towel. Unless I can find something in the rulebook that specifically defines what "fighting" is.

Scrapper1 Tue Jul 31, 2007 01:03pm
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Unless I can find something in the rulebook that specifically defines what "fighting" is.
NFHS 4-18
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JoeTheRef Tue Jul 31, 2007 01:06pm
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NFHS 4-18
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Thank you....

JoeTheRef Tue Jul 31, 2007 01:09pm
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NFHS 4-18
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Thanks.. I thought it was in there, I overlooked it in this 2004-05 IAABO edition.

Ch1town Tue Jul 31, 2007 01:10pm
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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
When does somebody's action constitute a fight?
When they start swinging? If A1 pushes or chest bumps B1 across the floor, B1 comes back and does the same are we keeping one or both in the game?

I guess that's up to the judgement of the official, but 4-19-4 discusses flagrants in detail

Okay if we don't think any of these actions was enough to say it was fighting, if B6 & B7 take a step on the floor and we see them because they think it's a fight are we penalizing them for entering the court during a fight or in this case non-fight??

Had they took a step on the floor 10-4-5 backs us up because it covers during a fight OR when one may break out.

I guess I had to be there, BUT... if the push or the chest bump was enough for me to think this was a fight or could become one, ESPECIALLY if I think any one of these 4 players can add more Sh*% to my game, they'll probably get the towel. Unless I can find something in the rulebook that specifically defines what "fighting" is.

4-18-1 & 2 but it looks as though each official has to make that judgement call
I hear you, my main objective was to find out what type of T this would be. So far I've heard:
a> false double per Mark
b> a simple double per rainmaker
c> false multiple double per Snaq

Adam Tue Jul 31, 2007 01:14pm
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Originally Posted by Ch1town
I hear you, my main objective was to find out what type of T this would be. So far I've heard:
a> false double per Mark
b> a simple double per rainmaker
c> false multiple double per Snaq
If you have to have a name for it, it's probably a false multiple double. However, this situation isn't named, per se.

Mark Dexter Tue Jul 31, 2007 01:16pm
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Originally Posted by Ch1town
I hear you, my main objective was to find out what type of T this would be. So far I've heard:
a> false double per Mark
b> a simple double per rainmaker
c> false multiple double per Snaq
I'm with rainmaker - just 2 double fouls.

JRutledge Tue Jul 31, 2007 01:20pm
I really do not know if there is a name for any of this. You have a shooting foul and two double fouls. It cannot be a multiple foul because none of the fouls occurred on the same player.

Peace

Ch1town Tue Jul 31, 2007 01:30pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge
I really do not know if there is a name for any of this. You have a shooting foul and two double fouls. It cannot be a multiple foul because none of the fouls occurred on the same player.

Peace
Okay, so two double fouls then. Thanks :)

FrankHtown Tue Jul 31, 2007 03:03pm
Right about now, I'd like a double, with a twist


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