Traveling philosophies....

[Mendy Trent]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Whether we like it or not, officiating is a very subjective thing. All we have here are two officials that disagree on what needs to be called or how to navigate the game.
Peace

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but I disagree. We've all had observers tell us differing philosophies at times and we just figure out which ones work best for us and move on.

However, what we have here, obviously, is assignors who are saying to completely ignore the rules (and a directive) and take the easy way out.

Don't call an obvious travel because it might "interrupt the game" and get you yelled at even if it is is a travel (and a directive). Let the players commit illegal moves to avoid taking away a basket in transition.

Do penalize a player by calling a travel, even if they haven't violated, because it's the easy way out and you won't get yelled at.

It would be nice if the NCAA would start some oversight on assignors and get rid of the ones that are encouraging games to be called in ways that conflict with what the NCAA is trying to get some consistency on.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mendy Trent

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but I disagree. We've all had observers tell us differing philosophies at times and we just figure out which ones work best for us and move on.

However, what we have here, obviously, is assignors who are saying to completely ignore the rules (and a directive) and take the easy way out.

Don't call an obvious travel because it might "interrupt the game" and get you yelled at even if it is is a travel (and a directive). Let the players commit illegal moves to avoid taking away a basket in transition.

Do penalize a player by calling a travel, even if they haven't violated, because it's the easy way out and you won't get yelled at.

It would be nice if the NCAA would start some oversight on assignors and get rid of the ones that are encouraging games to be called in ways that conflict with what the NCAA is trying to get some consistency on.

I have attended two Division 1 camps in the past couple of years. I have never been told to not call an obvious travel. I have never been told to not call an obvious violation when they take place. I have seen critiques from clinicians that said, "Why did you not call that a travel?" As a matter of fact there was a play in transition and I did not call a travel and two clinicians were on me about missing that play. As a matter of fact I have seen officials at camps called to the carpet (and I have been on that carpet) for not calling a travel only to call a foul on the defense later or award a cheap foul, which would have never happen if we called the travel. I disagree that this is an assignor's issue. Traveling is just a hard call when often many of these plays are not obvious. How many times have you heard someone call for a travel and the play was completely legal?

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have seen officials at camps called to the carpet (and I have been on that carpet) for not calling a travel only to call a foul on the defense later or award a cheap foul,

Glad I'm not the only one. This is a big deal to observers, in my experience.

Traveling is just a hard call when often many of these plays are not obvious.

Agree 100%. The rule is easy to learn, but with the speed of players and the skill of the ballhandling, it is harder and harder to judge when the dribble actually ended.

[truerookie]

I have read this entire thread. The points that were made are valid. I have observed a lot of people state that calling travel is a difficult call to make. Yes, the rule is simple; yes, the speed of the game is quicker. However, you must continue to work hard to get in better position to make the correct call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I have read this entire thread. The points that were made are valid. I have observed a lot of people state that calling travel is a difficult call to make. Yes, the rule is simple; yes, the speed of the game is quicker. However, you must continue to work hard to get in better position to make the correct call.

I do not think positioning has much to do with the inconsistency of this call.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think positioning has much to do with the inconsistency of this call.

Again, agree 100%. Positioning is important because you need to be able to see which foot is the pivot foot; but even with good positioning, the moves happen so fast sometimes (and, let's be honest, a lot of officials are only calling it if it "looks funny) and that's what causes most of the inconsistency.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think positioning has much to do with the inconsistency of this call.

Peace

I agree positioning does not have anything to do with the cosistency of making the call.

[lrpalmer3]

Don't assume that when a travel is not called in an NBA game that it should not have been called. It's difficult to pick up a travel in the NBA because officials are busy looking for contact.

The NBA lets a lot of travels go, and I see a lot of legal moves called as travels on the high school level. Which is better? Who can say?