Traveling philosophies....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Are they hurting the game? That's a great philosophical question. But the reality is they are defining the game.

The reality is that they're turning the game into the NBA, which sureashell isn't a good thing. Coaches, players, fans and even us officials don't know what's going to be called on any particular play. There's no uniformity in rules-calling because they aren't calling by the rules. It's just plain wrong imo.

What constantly amazes me is that some big dawgs refuse to follow some very explicit NCAA directives and POE's. The sad part is that they do so while other big dawgs are.

[JRutledge]

Whether we like it or not, officiating is a very subjective thing. All we have here are two officials that disagree on what needs to be called or how to navigate the game. Welcome to the real world because that happens on a daily basis at every camp I have ever attended. You can show a single play only to have different opinions as to what a call should have been or how the rule should be applied. This is just another example of how officials see different things. I do not think their comments are representative of anything other than their opinions. And without seeing the plays, it is hard to tell if there really is any merit to what was told. After all traveling is a judgment call. This is why this is the most inconsistent rule applied at all levels.

BTW JR, I see a lot of travel calls made at the NBA level. I have watched five minutes of some games and seen 3 straight trips with a travel call. It is just a call that is not called very consistently at all levels.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

1) Whether we like it or not, officiating is a very subjective thing. All we have here are two officials that disagree on what needs to be called or how to navigate the game. Welcome to the real world because that happens on a daily basis at every camp I have ever attended. You can show a single play only to have different opinions as to what a call should have been or how the rule should be applied. This is just another example of how officials see different things. I do not think their comments are representative of anything other than their opinions.

2) BTW JR, I see a lot of travel calls made at the NBA level. I have watched five minutes of some games and seen 3 straight trips with a travel call. It is just a call that is not called very consistently at all levels.

1) A good example supporting what you're saying might be Tim Donaghy. From what I've read, the great majority of his calls were subjectively judged by NBA observers as being correct and proper. He was rated above average in calling accuracy. Now, they're re-reviewing all of his calls--again supposedly subjectively.

2) True dat, but what's sad is that the supposedly top level, the NBA, probably is leading in inconsistency on travel calls imo.

[JoeTheRef]

Is there a possibility that a replant can be interpretted as a "jump stop"?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

Is there a possibility that a replant can be interpretted as a "jump stop"?

The replant is usually a catch with two feet on the floor and then a little hop to a different spot. Also, very commonly, the player catches the ball with one foot on the floor then steps with the other foot (legal so far), but then lifts and replants the first foot to "square up" to the basket. Both pretty obviously are travels.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Also, very commonly, the player catches the ball with one foot on the floor then steps with the other foot (legal so far), but then lifts and replants the first foot to "square up" to the basket. Both pretty obviously are travels.

Also known as Larry Bird's step-back and shoot move over the 3-point line without dribbling.....

Often emulated to this day.

[Adam]

In one game last year, I called the replant travel, and not 2 minutes later, at the other end, a shooter did a perfect jump stop on the catch (caught in the air, jumped off one foot and landed perfectly on both) before shooting. I let it go, and the first coach went ballistic for a moment. I wasn't in a position to discuss it with him, but it seemed to be forgotten about pretty quickly.

[Boiler14]

Often we make calls/no calls based on advantange/disadvantage.

Are these two situations under the same umbrella?

I would say that a replant often does cause an advantage more times than not. There are times where there is no advantage. By rule, still a travel.

The no control fumble probably is not a play where advantage is gained as much, although it can occur. By rule, not a travel.

Good topic to bring up in my opinion. Tends to be very subjective.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

Is there a possibility that a replant can be interpretted as a "jump stop"?

Not correctly.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

BTW JR, I see a lot of travel calls made at the NBA level. I have watched five minutes of some games and seen 3 straight trips with a travel call. It is just a call that is not called very consistently at all levels.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

2) True dat, but what's sad is that the supposedly top level, the NBA, probably is leading in inconsistency on travel calls imo.

True, I agree with Rut in that this call is not consistent. It was a point of emphasis this past season in the NBA to call more travels. What i think brought this to light in the NBA is LeBron in the Olympic games traveling just about everytime he got the ball. He would pitty-pat his feet before putting the ball down. I saw a lot of travels this year called in the NBA as well. One agaisnt Kobie in a game deciding play with 5 seconds to go. Kobie argued the call venomously but the replay showed him talking about 5 steps before dribbling. Great call....!!!! Why don't we get more credit for the good calls made.

I know I am not going to get that detail about this violation. It needs to be obvious, if not, I agree with the DI official you're just interrupting the game. I remember one hs game I had several years ago when my parter started the game out with about 5 travels. One on a wide open layup and all on the same team. Now that coach is pissed off and guess what, game goes into toilet. It got so bad that everytime a kid did something with the ball, TRAVELING from the bench and fans. At half, I told my partner, they're hs players, let em play. I'm not calling that nitpicky travel. I'm not watching nobody's feet that hard because I'm taking the broad global view of all plays in the game. (Damn sure I'm sitting there watching somebody feet and I miss the punch in the face.) Let's just make sure we get the obvious and everyone goes home happy. With that being said, I will admit that because of this, I will miss the marginal travels. I'll take that because I get game flow on the other end and once the players settled in to the game, they usually quit doing that anyway.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Old School

I'm not calling that nitpicky travel. I'm not watching nobody's feet that hard because I'm taking the broad global view of all plays in the game. (Damn sure I'm sitting there watching somebody feet and I miss the punch in the face.) Let's just make sure we get the obvious and everyone goes home happy. With that being said, I will admit that because of this, I will miss the marginal travels. I'll take that because I get game flow on the other end and once the players settled in to the game, they usually quit doing that anyway.

Anybody got anything to add to this?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Anybody got anything to add to this?

Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

The legend continues.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Anybody got anything to add to this?

Yea, I always want to add, "Consider the source."

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Old School

I'm not watching nobody's feet

So you are watching somebody's feet? What else aren't you not watching?

I don't not get what you don't not mean here.