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Just for all who have read this post, the rules read,
"Regulation High School Activities Association rules will be followed with the following exceptions: • 20 minute running clock except for last 2 minutes of each half, unless one team is ahead by 15 points. If lead falls below 15 points, clock will again stop. In addition, clock will stop on all technical fouls, injuries or timeouts (including officials TO). Clock does not restart until it would in a normal dead ball situation." No other exceptions listed in the rules apply to timing. After the timeout ended and the teams returned to the court, play proceeded something like this: Ref walks onto the court to administer free throws, hands the ball to the shooter and "circles" his finger at the timer to start the clock. Coach says "I called timeout, the clock doesn't start yet!" Ref: "Yes it does, the clock starts when I handed the ball to the shooter and the ball became live". Coach: "No, it starts when it normally should after a dead ball" Ref: "No, it starts now, you need to read the rules!" At this point, what should a coach do, other than complain to the gym administrator? |
All you have at this point is to talk to the tournament director or the game admin. Whoever is running the tournament. In the future, as the refs at the start of the game so no one is surprised.
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It is an unfortunate event for a referee to deny you the chance to win the game fairly. I've had a similar situation happen when I was coaching: time came off the clock during a dead ball. I asked that he correct the clock and he did not.
All you can do it make it a learning moment for the official and hope that s/he doesn't do it again. It's just part of the collective knowledge of the game for everyone. As for complaining to a higher authority, yes you can do that, but protests are rarely, if ever, heard at that level of ball. You can turn it into a teaching moment for you players - you showing them that winning isn't everything and that you can act maturely. |
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I worked several different summer leages and tournaments this summer and almost every one of them had subtle and not so subtle differences in their "special" rules that differed from NFHS rules. From weekend to weekend it was difficult to remember which "special" rules were in effect. Sometimes you forget one of those "special" rules or you remember how it was done the weekend before and deal with it the same way. Stuff happens. But it is summer league and it isn't THAT important in the grand scheme of things that this one thing was missed in a girl's 9th/10th summer league game. I'm sure once the ref in question re-read the league rules after the fact, he realized he was wrong. But in no way did he deny anyone the chance to win the game by starting the clock when he did. Seems like this coach is blowing things a bit out of proportion on this. |
dkmz17, I would like to know what the Association rules on this specific situation. If you find out, update us. IMO the Official maintained the intent of the running clock prior to the 2:00 minute mark; however, you do make an interesting point and that would have been a very smart move. I have read both sides from the other post and all make valid points, but it would be good to know what the association intended. Not to mention the forum gave good advice on how to approach officials.
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I have worked multiple leagues and tournaments whether it is for pay or whether it was at a camp, all rules and variation of the rules were completely different. The NF or the NCAA does not have sectioned summer league rules and games played in my state are not under a uniformed set of rules for the summer. The rules are going to change based on the objective of each league or tournament and that usually falls at the feet of the tournament director (who is often a coach). I am really not sure what you expect to happen in cases like this? Peace |
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In the summer leagues/tournaments/etc... that I've done, the rules are laid out quite well. Even for the summer football league I play in, a casebook was created! Of course the NF or NCAA doesn't have a summer league rule. Why would they? They have a tough enough time managing one ruleset. Regardless of the objective of the league, if a rule is not clear, it is open to interpretation. Thank God in 2 other leagues I'm involved with, our officiating group writes the league's rules differences and has the league approve them. |
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Educate me, please.
Isn't the statement "Clock does not restart until it would in a normal dead ball situation" a clear one? Tell me what I am missing. :o BTW, in all other summer league games I have been involved in with this situation, the clock would not have started until it was touched after a miss or touched inbounds after a made free throw. |
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