What's your response?

[Old School]

To me, I like working competitive games like this, especially the men because they are the best, plus, it's alma-no on alma-no. I mean, I don't have to hold back with my officiating technique. I think you needed to try and close that argument. Talking is okay as long as they are not out of line. Taunting will not be tolerated. When the player said he was intimated by them, that was your clue to relax and try to have a conversation and not a talk down. I would have said i think you guys can beat them on any given day but you can't let the talking get to you because that's what they are trying to do. You should go to a pro-game sometime and sit close. You will hear more sh!t talking then you ever imagine. Michael Jordan, biggest sh!t talker in the league.

Now I indicated that I like to work games like this. So I have a vested interested to want to keep good men's teams playing in the league. I would not have let the conversation degrade to him telling me I'm not any good. If that type of talk is coming at me, then we going there right away. It's not going to degrade to that over the discussion unless I leave that door open. Sometimes we have to be diplomats. Working men's is stressful, which is why I don't hold back on them. I have to bring my kick-azz attitude to the game because A.) I have to protect myself and B.) I have to protect the good players. If I don't, I will lose the players and if you lose the players, you lose control of the game. Not a good situation to be in, in a men's game.

Just my opinion

[JRutledge]

Oh brother.



Peace

[tlieb]

Lets be honest with ourselves here Men's Ball, unless it's high level players that are Ex. NCAA or NBA players, is really just "B!itch Ball". Personally I think there is learning experiences you can take away from any game situation and any level of game. Men's league, I think everyone who has worked it would agree, is all about game management. In high school or college we work with the coaches if we have player problems and we talk with the captains. In Men's league there isn't the luxury of going to a coach to say, "you need to take care of him." It's our responsibility to take care of things now. All we have is the players and us. Men's league is also about comfort level. Once the players have seen you for a while they understand what you're going to call and what you're going to let go. If you watch an NBA game you'll see the referees having to talk to SOMEONE after every single call or no call. The people watching those games are the guys playing in the Men's League games we officiate. Weather we like it or not we have to deal with the wining and find someway to appease both sides.

Originally Posted by tlieb

If you watch an NBA game you'll see the referees having to talk to SOMEONE after every single call or no call. The people watching those games are the guys playing in the Men's League games we officiate.

And somehow that leads wreck "players" to believe they can do the same things NBA players can do?

Thats funny because I use the referrence "just like on tv guys" whenever they do something stupid, like lining up incorrectly on FTs, requesting a time out & expecting a halfcourt throw-in after a violation, etc.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Old School

To me, I like working competitive games like this, especially the men because they are the best, plus, it's alma-no on alma-no. I mean, I don't have to hold back with my officiating technique. I think you needed to try and close that argument. Talking is okay as long as they are not out of line. Taunting will not be tolerated. When the player said he was intimated by them, that was your clue to relax and try to have a conversation and not a talk down. I would have said i think you guys can beat them on any given day but you can't let the talking get to you because that's what they are trying to do. You should go to a pro-game sometime and sit close. You will hear more sh!t talking then you ever imagine. Michael Jordan, biggest sh!t talker in the league.

Now I indicated that I like to work games like this. So I have a vested interested to want to keep good men's teams playing in the league. I would not have let the conversation degrade to him telling me I'm not any good. If that type of talk is coming at me, then we going there right away. It's not going to degrade to that over the discussion unless I leave that door open. Sometimes we have to be diplomats. Working men's is stressful, which is why I don't hold back on them. I have to bring my kick-azz attitude to the game because A.) I have to protect myself and B.) I have to protect the good players. If I don't, I will lose the players and if you lose the players, you lose control of the game. Not a good situation to be in, in a men's game.

Just my opinion

ROFLMFAO!!!

MTD, Sr.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

ROFLMFAO!!!

MTD, Sr.

I LMFAO so many times reading his crap I don't have any A left!

BTW - around here, we call Men's leagues - Jerkball. I have to admit, though, I get a kick from doing one league. Early each fall, the first league to play is a league made up of CPAs. No - I'm not kidding. They have glasses taped on with duct tape and their jerseys have pocket protectors. OK, I'm only slightly kidding. They're really not very accomplished players but their score books are incredible. They keep every stat including offensive boards and they use ink. I think it's a status thing with them trying to outdo the other team's scorekeeper.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

1) To me, I like working competitive games like this, especially the men because they are the best, plus, it's alma-no on alma-no.

2) I have to bring my kick-azz attitude to the game because A.) I have to protect myself and B.) I have to protect the good players.

1) WTF is "alma-no on alma-no"?

2) You protect the good players? Over the bad players? Or the average players too? Interesting concept. Didn't happen to get it from the NBA by chance, did you? Btw, I wouldn't try that outside your rec leagues, if you ever do get a chance to work a real, live game that means something. The idea of favoring any player doesn't really fly.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) WTF is "alma-no on alma-no"?

OS for "mano a mano".

I was more stunned by the line, "I mean, I don't have to hold back with my officiating technique."

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) WTF is "alma-no on alma-no"?

2) You protect the good players? Over the bad players? Or the average players too? Interesting concept. Didn't happen to get it from the NBA by chance, did you? Btw, I wouldn't try that outside your rec leagues, if you ever do get a chance to work a real, live game that means something. The idea of favoring any player doesn't really fly.

That's not what I meant!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Old School

That's not what I meant!

Based on your previous diatribes, that is exactly what you meant. You always talk about the importance of the coaches and players in how we officiate the game of basketball. Now I agree more than most here that coaches and players should be apart of our thinking, but you make it sound as if what they think or who the stars are the only factor. So what did you really mean? I will be waiting for your answer on pins and needles.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Based on your previous diatribes, that is exactly what you meant. You always talk about the importance of the coaches and players in how we officiate the game of basketball. Now I agree more than most here that coaches and players should be apart of our thinking, but you make it sound as if what they think or who the stars are the only factor. So what did you really mean? I will be waiting for your answer on pins and needles.

He's saying that he didn't understand what he said.

I believe him.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

He's saying that he didn't understand what he said.

I believe him.

I guess you are right.

Peace

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Based on your previous diatribes, that is exactly what you meant. You always talk about the importance of the coaches and players in how we officiate the game of basketball. Now I agree more than most here that coaches and players should be apart of our thinking, but you make it sound as if what they think or who the stars are the only factor. So what did you really mean? I will be waiting for your answer on pins and needles.

Peace

No, that's just the way you heard it. We all have selected hearing. We hear what we want to hear and throw away the rest. Some of us like to add to what we hear, expand the meaning to that of what is not being said. For ex: you make it sound as if what they (the coaches, fans, etc) think are the only factor. You see, you expanded on what you heard because I never said that. My position on protecting quality players is to create a game where they will want to come back and play again. Thus bringing there friends and other top quality talent. You see, if the quality talent thinks they going to get job'd everytime they play here, they're not coming back, and then I'm not going to want to come back. So, I have a vested interest. I'm not just there to collect a paycheck and I'm not going to hang around very long doing garbage ball.

Peace

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Old School

You see, if the quality talent thinks they going to get job'd everytime they play here, they're not coming back, and then I'm not going to want to come back.

Do we have a greatest hits thread?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

So, I have a vested interest.

Herein lies the problem.