Do you grant this timeout?

[Danvrapp]

Sure you do! We're in triple overtime last night , and player A1 goes flying after a loose ball. He's in the air falling OOB, and he requests the TO. I grant it. Coach B goes nuckin' futs saying all sorts of things (I thought of Mark and his howler monkeys. He may have a point.....).

Anyway, he kindly asks me after the game ended (in the 4th overtime, mind you) to review the play so that it wouldn't happen again. I told him I was going to do that anyway, and was off the floor.

Well sure enough case book 5.8.3D is a pretty good situation, and the rule book states a timeout is granted to a player who is in control. I'd assume that just because you're airborn doesn't mean you're not in control! Can someone please nod their head yes that I made the right call?

[firedoc]

I believe that you are right. A team is in control when a player has the ball and when it is being passed between teammates. If the player had the ball as he was going out of bounds and requested a time-out (remember that only an official can call a time-out) I too would have granted the request. It was a good play on the part of the player and he should be rewarded, especially since it was legal.

Does everyone else agree with me?

[devdog69]

Nope, see 10.7.8 situation (c).

[Mark Dexter]

[Nods]

[firedoc]

Am I missing something here? My rule book (2001-2002) only goes up to 10-6.

[Mark Dexter]

Anything in the tens is fouls (remember, folks, only ten rules in basketball!), so it would not be germane to this topic.

[devdog69]

just messin with ya, good call.

[wmwhelan]

You see this all the time in NCAA, and the player 99% of the time gets the TO.

[ChuckElias]

Good job to grant the TO in that situation. I had a very similar play last night. Player was not airborne, but was off-balance and thought he was going to fall OOB, so he requested the TO. I granted it.

The coach's confusion probably stems from the fact that the NBA changed its rule about 3 years ago, so that a player may not be granted a TO if he is about to go OOB.

Chuck

[Jim Armstrong]

From the way you describe the situation, you were exactly right. NFHS Rules Review Video that I have, shows exactly the same situation. A1 goes after a loose ball, grabs it, jumps in the air as he is going oob, and requests a TO which is granted by the Ref on the video. Legal play.

[Bchill24]

As long as the player was in control of the ball, grant the timeout.

[Danvrapp]

I see this coach again next Friday. He's usually a pretty cool customer, and I was suprised at his outburst last night. Maybe he just didn't know the rule (imagine that ), and took exception.

Now lemme ask this one: do I bring this up in a friendly manner before the game when we're greeting coaches and say "Oh, by the way, I looked up that OOB issue and found that...." Or should I just attempt to let sleeping dogs lie?

Do I gain anything by telling him? Do I lose anything by not telling him?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Danvrapp
I see this coach again next Friday. He's usually a pretty cool customer, and I was suprised at his outburst last night. Maybe he just didn't know the rule (imagine that ), and took exception.

Now lemme ask this one: do I bring this up in a friendly manner before the game when we're greeting coaches and say "Oh, by the way, I looked up that OOB issue and found that...." Or should I just attempt to let sleeping dogs lie?

Do I gain anything by telling him? Do I lose anything by not telling him?

Remain silent, unless he brings it up. After all, you were correct, so there's nothing to explain. You have no obligation to defend a call. The coach has the obligation to prove you wrong, not the other way around.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Danvrapp
Now lemme ask this one: do I bring this up in a friendly manner before the game when we're greeting coaches and say "Oh, by the way, I looked up that OOB issue and found that...." Or should I just attempt to let sleeping dogs lie?

Do I gain anything by telling him? Do I lose anything by not telling him?

My experience is that coaches don't really want to know. They want you to look it up for your own benefit, not theirs. If he asks, definitely describe the whole thing politely. Especially the part about the NBA having a different rule. I think NBA games should run a little crawler across the screen periodically that says, "Rules in the NBA bear little relation to any other basketball, and should not be used as reference in non-NBA situations."

[MOFFICIAL]

I agree with rainmaker the coaches don't care about knowing. They just like to bring it up so you will look it up. They don't have the capacity to remember.