Last second shot

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by wyo96

I agree that these may not come up often, but it was one I wanted to get right. Thanks for feed back. I may have more as I brush up before camp.

These situations may not come up very often, but when they do they directly impact on the outcome of the game. If you screw it up, it'll be the only thing anybody will ever recall about the game.

I had a partner completely blow a rule on a last second shot in a tied league championship game. He wiped off a basket because the clock showed 0 before the shot was off, but the horn was after the shot was released. We went to overtime and the other team won. It's not often true that the refs give the game away, but we did that day because we were all honked up about what to do about a situation at the buzzer. The outcome would have been right if even one member of the crew had known the correct rule and applied it. I'm still flogging myself over that one.

Originally Posted by wyo96

FWIW... I am going to the Dave Hall camp at the University of Wyoming. Dave is a D1 official and there will be both D1 and HS evaluators. I work HS and MS, but I am looking forward to the interaction and education from both groups.

I've gone to Dave's camp at USU several times. He puts on a great camp and I always learn a lot. Do yourself a favor and find which gym Ray Lutz is evaluating in. Go sit at his feet and listen to everything he says. Seriously.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I had a partner completely blow a rule on a last second shot in a tied league championship game. He wiped off a basket because the clock showed 0 before the shot was off, but the horn was after the shot was released.

Is that not correct procedure? Clock reads 00:00 & the ball is still in the shooters hand with a late horn... ball is dead, no shot huh?

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Is that not correct procedure? Clock reads 00:00 & the ball is still in the shooters hand with a late horn... ball is dead, no shot huh?

Well the quarter ends when the horn sounds, so the basket should've counted.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Is that not correct procedure? Clock reads 00:00 & the ball is still in the shooters hand with a late horn... ball is dead, no shot huh?

Here's a little saying that might help you remember the correct rule on this:

"When it comes to balls at the end, don't be a zero, be horny."

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Here's a little saying that might help you remember the correct rule on this:

"When it comes to balls at the end, don't be a zero, be horny."

So this is where rainmaker got that colorful saying from.

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Here's a little saying that might help you remember the correct rule on this:

"When it comes to balls at the end, don't be a zero, be horny."

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You scare me some days, you know it!:

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by refnrev

You scare me some days, you know it!:

When people ask my wife how she has put up with me after all these years, she usually replies that she tries to keep herself heavily sedated.

Sometimes she can't answer because she's too heavily sedated.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Is that not correct procedure? Clock reads 00:00 & the ball is still in the shooters hand with a late horn... ball is dead, no shot huh?

The horn wasn't late. Older game clocks (from the era before tenths of a second) come in two varieties: those that change the number at the start of the second, and those that change the number at the end of the second. If it changes at the beginning, it'll turn over to zero nearly a full second before the horn goes off.

If you think of it in terms of tenths of a second, it makes more obvious sense. It's not really 0:00, it's 0:00.9, 0.00.8, etc. on down to 0:00.0. But all the clock shows is 0:00.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Is that not correct procedure? Clock reads 00:00 & the ball is still in the shooters hand with a late horn... ball is dead, no shot huh?

NFHS rule - go by when the horn sounds.
NCAA rule - go by the display of :00.0 on the clock.
NBA rule - ?

[wyo96]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

These situations may not come up very often, but when they do they directly impact on the outcome of the game. If you screw it up, it'll be the only thing anybody will ever recall about the game.

I've gone to Dave's camp at USU several times. He puts on a great camp and I always learn a lot. Do yourself a favor and find which gym Ray Lutz is evaluating in. Go sit at his feet and listen to everything he says. Seriously. .

I agree. I am striving to get all the rules right. I know I may miss a call, but I don't want to miss a rule!!

Thanks, I see Ray is on the list for Laramie so I will try to do that. I am very excited about this camp.